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Post by Dukect on Sept 15, 2019 19:40:37 GMT -5
I just hope that Cass can get the help he needs mental health is just as if not more important than psychical health. I just hope he realizes that he needs help as that is the only way that can help the healing prosses
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 23:59:20 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that?
I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 16, 2019 0:03:50 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole.On the same hand, being an asshole who needs help doesn't mean you don't need help.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 0:05:50 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that?I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. Yes, for all intents and purposes Cass has shown remorse for his past actions and doesn't make excuses for his actions. This is part of the reason why people say poor Cass. Just because you say poor Cass does not absolve him of whatever he did in his past. When he has talked about his mistakes he comes across believable and wants to make amends. Not everyone is built the same and it is alarming for Cass to act this way when it seems his mood flips on a dime. The thing is people aren't just chiming in and seeing an asshole for actions, they are seeing a dude which needs help which is alarming because it is more easy to just write him off
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 0:06:25 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole.On the same hand, being an asshole who needs help doesn't mean you don't need help. Correct. You are a danger to yourself and others without it
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 0:07:48 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole.On the same hand, being an asshole who needs helps doesn't mean you don't need help. No, and that was never my intention. Re-reading my post I wasn't clear enough. I do without a doubt think the man needs help. I just think it's an insult to those suffering with mental health disorders to start writing off all of his past transgressions as the acts of a sick individual. I'm choosing to wait until he's in a good place mentally before I'd be comfortable having anything beyond base level sympathy for him.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 16, 2019 0:29:33 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. I consider myself a fairly decent human being. If someone is in need of help in this manner, I'm all for them getting help, no matter who they are. I don't decide who deserves it more.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 16, 2019 0:33:54 GMT -5
Look, I'd have no problems with calling Cass out for being an asshole if he was only being an asshole. I've certainly done my share of that in the past, especially when he got fired from WWE. I also have really no attachment to him as a performer or a wrestler. But the things described in the accounts can't simply just be handwaved away as "guy's a douchebag." There are some serious red flags raised.
We're talking more serious mental health problems than depression or an anxiety disorder. We're talking something more dangerous where he isn't necessarily in control of his own actions, like bipolar disorder, or even schizophrenia or BPD or something else entirely. Joey Janela certainly thinks something is seriously wrong with the guy besides being a jackass, otherwise he'd have no problems calling him one on social media or pressing charges.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 0:51:33 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. I consider myself a fairly decent human being. If someone is in need of help in this manner, I'm all for them getting help, no matter who they are. I don't decide who deserves it more. Right, and like I said in my second post, my feelings on his need for help weren't clear enough in my first. My issue is specifically in wanting to clarify that some of his more distasteful behavior cannot and should not be blamed on mental health. I don't think that's fair to other individuals dealing with mental health crises. His mental health didn't cause his comments on Syrian people, for example. I have all the care and understanding in the world for those struggling. It's just also why I don't want "mental health" to shoulder the burden of all his behaviors. It's a horrible light to cast on others suffering depression, anxiety, and/or bipolar disorder.
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Post by honsou on Sept 16, 2019 1:23:01 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. This goes beyond making conscious choices. I'm in the emergency part of the field myself and what is being described clearly shows that he needs immediate emergency treatment. If I hear "guy walks into a locker room fixated on lost sweater, becomes aggressive suddenly then when removed from building becomes suicidal" I'm going to strongly suggest hospitalization and maybe even commitment
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Post by 111111 on Sept 16, 2019 4:07:03 GMT -5
I’m actually impressed with how the conversation on about this has been handled throughout the entire IWC. Sure I’ve seen the usual toxic shit you’re always going to get in any discussion about absolutely anything online but I feel as though even a couple of years ago there wouldn’t be so much sympathy out there and people would be far more mocking.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 16, 2019 4:20:18 GMT -5
I’m actually impressed with how the conversation on about this has been handled throughout the entire IWC. Sure I’ve seen the usual toxic shit you’re always going to get in any discussion about absolutely anything online but I feel as though even a couple of years ago there wouldn’t be so much sympathy out there and people would be far more mocking. Quite likely, but I do feel like some of that mentality is changing. It does feel like Robin Williams' suicide has been part of a changing attitude on mental health, and this also comes after Cass already got some good will with people for opening up in a video about having problems with depression that he felt unable to talk about when in WWE, unsure of how to even broach the subject, if he could even admit it to himself at the time. I think that helps this be, well, it's still surprising, but not as surprising as if it was from out of nowhere.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 16, 2019 4:58:19 GMT -5
When I'd heard there was an incident with Cass I presumed it was alcohol and thought "man, f*** that guy". Having read the article and seen the picture, man, I feel really bad for him. He clearly has deep rooted mental problems and hopefully this outburst will mean the right people will be made aware of that and he can get some help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 7:24:40 GMT -5
So the drinking problem clearly hasn’t been resolved.... Drinking? I dunno, the bolded part below seems awful suspect and scary of it being...something else too? We are told that the second Cass was down on the floor, his entire demeanor changed as he went from aggressive and threatening to questioning why he was hit and asking what was going on.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 16, 2019 10:20:10 GMT -5
Yeah, all I can do is pretty much side with everyone else here stating Cass hopefully gets the kind of treatment that’ll lead to happier days down the road. Even if he has said and done a number of things I could never co-sign on, it doesn’t invalidate his right to and need for aid.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Sept 16, 2019 10:32:18 GMT -5
If I hear "guy walks into a locker room fixated on lost sweater, becomes aggressive suddenly then when removed from building becomes suicidal" I'm going to strongly suggest hospitalization and maybe even commitment Did I miss something? This is the first I've heard of him being suicidal.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 16, 2019 11:04:14 GMT -5
If I hear "guy walks into a locker room fixated on lost sweater, becomes aggressive suddenly then when removed from building becomes suicidal" I'm going to strongly suggest hospitalization and maybe even commitment Did I miss something? This is the first I've heard of him being suicidal. No one involved said he was but he showed symptoms of being. Insulting himself loudly while sitting on the street. Does it prove 100% he is?No,but it is a big symptom.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 16, 2019 11:32:49 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. Aside from the segment with the person of restricted growth the only evidence I saw of him behaving badly with women was debunked. I also work with young people, many of whom are assholes. They still need help. Cass needs help too.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 15:57:32 GMT -5
I have something I'd like to say after reading through the thread. I see a lot of "poor Cass, I hope he gets help" without knowing the facts, and it bothers me. I'm a councillor for teens and young adults dealing with depression, panic and anxiety disorder. I've met some great people who just needed help, many of whom going through experiences in life most adults couldn't handle. Most of them have no one rooting for them at home, either. Yet they still make conscious choices every day to treat myself and the people around them with decency and respect. Has Cass shown that? I'm not saying one way or the other on Cass. I don't have any knowledge beyond past reports. What I do know is that he's got a history of being physically and/or verbally aggressive towards women and minorities. Taking that into account, it's hard for me to think this is a good person who needs some work. From my perspective, being an asshole who needs help doesn't make you not an asshole. Aside from the segment with the person of restricted growth the only evidence I saw of him behaving badly with women was debunked. I also work with young people, many of whom are assholes. They still need help. Cass needs help too. Since everyone keeps quoting this without reading my subsequent posts, I'm throwing it in here. I've already clarified my comments, but have still been quoted about half a dozen times with rebuttals suggesting I don't believe Cass needs/deserves help. Simply not true.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 16, 2019 16:04:49 GMT -5
Aside from the segment with the person of restricted growth the only evidence I saw of him behaving badly with women was debunked. I also work with young people, many of whom are assholes. They still need help. Cass needs help too. Since everyone keeps quoting this without reading my subsequent posts, I'm throwing it in here. I've already clarified my comments, but have still been quoted about half a dozen times with rebuttals suggesting I don't believe Cass needs/deserves help. Simply not true. I had no idea there were further replies when I replied to you - I apologise unreservedly.
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