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Post by Clutchhausen on Sept 17, 2019 22:24:32 GMT -5
"Kofi needs to drop the title"
Welp, you got your wish.
f***ing pathetic.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 17, 2019 22:26:53 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about this entire thing. Lesnar on top has been the #1 reason in my book why ratings have tanked over the past few years. Sure, he does pop a rating slightly when he does bother to show up, but the other 90% of the time he's not around and the show just dies without a viable champion around. So the first order of business is to put the title back on this guy when moving to Fox? Unless there's something Fox has done to make it worth his while to be there most weeks I fail to see the upside here. It also means we're inevitably getting Lesnar/Reigns at WM next year, so try and control your enthusiasm.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 17, 2019 22:27:26 GMT -5
"Kofi needs to drop the title" Welp, you got your wish. f***ing pathetic. How? Just because it is Brock doesn't change the fact he needs to lose the title This has been predicted for months
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 22:36:00 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about this entire thing. Lesnar on top has been the #1 reason in my book why ratings have tanked over the past few years. Sure, he does pop a rating slightly when he does bother to show up, but the other 90% of the time he's not around and the show just dies without a viable champion around. So the first order of business is to put the title back on this guy when moving to Fox? Unless there's something Fox has done to make it worth his while to be there most weeks I fail to see the upside here. It also means we're inevitably getting Lesnar/Reigns at WM next year, so try and control your enthusiasm. Lesnar is a recognizable name to the mainstream public so having him in a title match on the first Fox SDL (when it's being promoted as this huge event that more mainstream people will see) actually makes sense. You have to put someone else mainstream people know in that spot. Lesnar, Cena, Taker, just someone mainstream people know. It's bigger than the wrestling bubble in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 23:00:55 GMT -5
I'm not even half expecting Kofi to lose. I think they just want to give him a big win right from the start, so people will see him as a huge star similar to Austin and The Rock were: which they've showed more than current crop of wrestlers in those FOX commercials...
If he happens to lose, he will win it back before WrestleMania 'cause I think this is the year New Day 3-Way happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 23:07:33 GMT -5
its gonna be shit
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Post by dbrussel on Sept 17, 2019 23:15:18 GMT -5
3 min squash Rip Kofi
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 0:00:12 GMT -5
I want them to remind the viewers about the Beast in the East during the build, so it seems even more impossible for Kofi to win this one...
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Post by slaughterama on Sept 18, 2019 0:18:00 GMT -5
Brock only shows up anymore when he feels like being the champ again. It's kind of annoying. Plus, what kind of brand launch would it be for Fox to not have a champion that is always present? We keep hearing Fox wants SmackDown to have more of a realistic feel to it, like UFC & boxing. You go months without seeing the champions in those sports compete. They're apparently all-in on this, and they realize Lesnar is more of an attraction. If you keep giving people the attraction over and over, it loses its appeal. It's funny how people will say, you have to get the belt off of Kofi because he's stale, yet he's only had the belt for less than 6 months. The champs run through their programs way too quickly anymore. If anything, I think you'd want the champion to be special. In terms of TV, you rarely got Hogan or Andre competing on free TV. When you did, it was meant to be special, and it definitely was. If you wanted to see them, you had to go buy a ticket. No Brock on house shows, doesn't hurt Fox, if anything it helps them. And I'm sure you'll see plenty of him on the FS1 show, whether it be when he goes back to work out with the Minnesota wrestling team, or whatever else he's up to. They're buying into Brock the attraction. The real problem is that there is a feeling that all the talent they do have can't put together an interesting show without the main title. And I'm not sure that's a WWE problem as much of it is an audience problem.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 18, 2019 0:57:57 GMT -5
It isn't the 80's anymore and Brock barely being on Raw when he was Universal Champ only hurt their product.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 1:02:59 GMT -5
Brock only shows up anymore when he feels like being the champ again. It's kind of annoying. Plus, what kind of brand launch would it be for Fox to not have a champion that is always present? We keep hearing Fox wants SmackDown to have more of a realistic feel to it, like UFC & boxing. You go months without seeing the champions in those sports compete. They're apparently all-in on this, and they realize Lesnar is more of an attraction. If you keep giving people the attraction over and over, it loses its appeal. It's funny how people will say, you have to get the belt off of Kofi because he's stale, yet he's only had the belt for less than 6 months. The champs run through their programs way too quickly anymore. If anything, I think you'd want the champion to be special. In terms of TV, you rarely got Hogan or Andre competing on free TV. When you did, it was meant to be special, and it definitely was. If you wanted to see them, you had to go buy a ticket. No Brock on house shows, doesn't hurt Fox, if anything it helps them. And I'm sure you'll see plenty of him on the FS1 show, whether it be when he goes back to work out with the Minnesota wrestling team, or whatever else he's up to. They're buying into Brock the attraction. The real problem is that there is a feeling that all the talent they do have can't put together an interesting show without the main title. And I'm not sure that's a WWE problem as much of it is an audience problem. Brock has to be around more than he was tho Like, fair play to Ronda for actually being around a whole lot more than people expected. I want to say the most time she missed was like a month but you say her at least every other week or twice in a month. That's what they need from Brock. He doesn't have to fight on TV but he needs to be visible, let the title be tangible to the viewers and the wrestlers It is infurirating for the wrestlers to go on with their daily lives when Brock leaves and act like the title doesn't exist
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 1:13:57 GMT -5
I just want this to lead to Big E fighting Brock for the title.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 18, 2019 1:18:52 GMT -5
Ronda was there enough where her absence was never especially noticeable. And even though she wasn't putting the title on the line every week, she'd still be in enough non-title matches or even the odd tag-team match here and there.
Regardless, wrestling's been booked a certain way for nearly 3 decades where the top champion is an integral part of the show. I don't think it's any coincidence that Raw's ratings decline started happening during Brock's absentee reigns. Of course, he isn't the only factor, far from it. It didn't help that WWE didn't know how to adapt to not having the brand's top champion even showing up for feuds, or the desire to organically build up new stars that fans could get behind. But without the top title there or the champion involved, there isn't much reason to actually care.
I'm also biased in that I genuinely like Kofi as WWE Champion. Even if the reign is a bit stale by now, I'd still take it over another moldy-as-hell Lesnar run.
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Post by eJm on Sept 18, 2019 1:44:26 GMT -5
Brock only shows up anymore when he feels like being the champ again. It's kind of annoying. Plus, what kind of brand launch would it be for Fox to not have a champion that is always present? We keep hearing Fox wants SmackDown to have more of a realistic feel to it, like UFC & boxing. You go months without seeing the champions in those sports compete. Ok, I have been meaning to ask this; do any of us actually know what this “sports-like feel” would be for FOX’s Smackdown? Because all I seem to read is FOX saying they want a sports-like feel and everyone assuming they’re just going to copy and paste what happens in sports into pro wrestling and I don’t know if that’s entirely what that means at all. I’m going on record and just meaning they want matches to mean something long term along with the storytelling that is in wrestling. I could be proven wrong here but that’s how it comes off until then. Also, no, Brock isn’t a draw. He hasn’t been a draw in a long time and the big reason was because of that run where he didn’t show up with the main belt and nobody on the roster seemed to care. The reason Vince thinks he’s a draw is because he’s probably the only guy willing to pay him as much to be on TV because NJPW probably never want to work with the guy again and besides AEW, nowhere is the size in pro wrestling to afford him.
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Post by Topher is Human on Sept 18, 2019 2:03:33 GMT -5
We keep hearing Fox wants SmackDown to have more of a realistic feel to it, like UFC & boxing. You go months without seeing the champions in those sports compete. Ok, I have been meaning to ask this; do any of us actually know what this “sports-like feel” would be for FOX’s Smackdown? Because all I seem to read is FOX saying they want a sports-like feel and everyone assuming they’re just going to copy and paste what happens in sports into pro wrestling and I don’t know if that’s entirely what that means at all. I’m going on record and just meaning they want matches to mean something long term along with the storytelling that is in wrestling. I could be proven wrong here but that’s how it comes off until then. Also, no, Brock isn’t a draw. He hasn’t been a draw in a long time and the big reason was because of that run where he didn’t show up with the main belt and nobody on the roster seemed to care. The reason Vince thinks he’s a draw is because he’s probably the only guy willing to pay him as much to be on TV because NJPW probably never want to work with the guy again and besides AEW, nowhere is the size in pro wrestling to afford him. I want a ladder system, and preset cards, leading to everyone facing everyone else atleast oncexAnd “seasons”, not an off-season, but at the end of the season, have whoever is top of the ladder challenges the champion at the next PPV. Start the next season the week following.
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Post by slaughterama on Sept 18, 2019 2:29:26 GMT -5
We keep hearing Fox wants SmackDown to have more of a realistic feel to it, like UFC & boxing. You go months without seeing the champions in those sports compete. Ok, I have been meaning to ask this; do any of us actually know what this “sports-like feel” would be for FOX’s Smackdown? Because all I seem to read is FOX saying they want a sports-like feel and everyone assuming they’re just going to copy and paste what happens in sports into pro wrestling and I don’t know if that’s entirely what that means at all. I’m going on record and just meaning they want matches to mean something long term along with the storytelling that is in wrestling. I could be proven wrong here but that’s how it comes off until then. Also, no, Brock isn’t a draw. He hasn’t been a draw in a long time and the big reason was because of that run where he didn’t show up with the main belt and nobody on the roster seemed to care. The reason Vince thinks he’s a draw is because he’s probably the only guy willing to pay him as much to be on TV because NJPW probably never want to work with the guy again and besides AEW, nowhere is the size in pro wrestling to afford him. I don't think we're going to know for sure until we see it, but I would take a guess it isn't Bray Wyatt. In a perfect world, it's Fox saying leave the gimmicky stuff & characters to USA, give us the more realistic performers. One show leaning to "sports entertainment" and one show leaning more towards in-ring action is a win/win, IMO. As far as Brock goes, he easily has the largest crossover appeal / name value in regards to the sports world on the roster, and it isn't close. If Ronda were to come back, you could argue she surpasses him. I wouldn't even know who to guess #3 is. Bryan, Reigns, or Orton? It's not how much he draws at house shows, because he's not on house shows, and he's not going to be. It's Fox believing he can tap into their demographic better than anyone else can. There's a huge difference between ads with Brock running during Modern Family or SVU, and ads with Brock running during football on Saturdays & Sundays. I mean, Fox paid a billion dollars for the show. It certainly seems they wanted Brock, and I'm sure they discussed how much he'd be a part of things. I'm going to go on a limb and say they discussed several options to main event that first show, I'm sure a Kofi/Ali/Miz Triple Threat wasn't ever put on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 2:43:20 GMT -5
They've just ensured there's absolutely no chance I'm watching SmackDown on Fridays. I am done with Brock.
And yeah, yeah, big name, mainstream, Fox, I don't care. F*** Brock.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 18, 2019 3:08:34 GMT -5
The threat of prominent Shane McMahon and a Champion Brock Lesnar on the new FOX Smackdown makes me not want to ever watch the New FOX Smackdown.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 3:28:04 GMT -5
Really I think the whole thing of trying to sell SmackDown to sports fans is a doomed effort anyway because wrestling being predetermined in an instant turnoff to a ton of people. Trying to pretend otherwise in 2019 is just going to invite ridicule.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Sept 18, 2019 3:30:57 GMT -5
It'd be bad ass if this leads to Kofi dropping the title to Brock, Brock demolishing Woods at the Saudi PPV, Brock facing The Fiend at Survivor Series in a DQ'd brawl, and then Big E challenges Brock in December and beats him on Smackdown.
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