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Post by illiniman88 on Sept 18, 2019 8:26:46 GMT -5
good get the title off that scrawny little string bean
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 18, 2019 8:56:00 GMT -5
good get the title off that scrawny little string bean Oh, hi, Superstar Billy Graham.
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mo
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Post by mo on Sept 18, 2019 9:07:14 GMT -5
Neither result will bother me, so I’m alright with this.
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Post by eJm on Sept 18, 2019 10:43:30 GMT -5
As far as Brock goes, he easily has the largest crossover appeal / name value in regards to the sports world on the roster, and it isn't close. If Ronda were to come back, you could argue she surpasses him. I wouldn't even know who to guess #3 is. Bryan, Reigns, or Orton? It's not how much he draws at house shows, because he's not on house shows, and he's not going to be. It's Fox believing he can tap into their demographic better than anyone else can. There's a huge difference between ads with Brock running during Modern Family or SVU, and ads with Brock running during football on Saturdays & Sundays. I mean, Fox paid a billion dollars for the show. It certainly seems they wanted Brock, and I'm sure they discussed how much he'd be a part of things. I'm going to go on a limb and say they discussed several options to main event that first show, I'm sure a Kofi/Ali/Miz Triple Threat wasn't ever put on the table. Here's my one glaring issue with that. Yes, Brock has been in front of bigger audiences but the last time before he confronted Cromier that Brock was seen by more eyes was him winning a match and then having that win revoked because of a failed drug test. Like, sure, that's MMA and not pro wrestling but in the same way that people might think "Wow, this dude is a name I know", wouldn't there be a chance they might also think "Man, here's that guy in MMA who can't stop taking drugs and hindering his career"? I mean, we'll find out one way or another but if we were talking about Brock post UFC run 1/post HHH and Cena feuds, then you'd have more of a case. Now, I don't know if you do.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 18, 2019 10:44:07 GMT -5
Had a feeling that Beastie Boy was going to turn up to challenge Kingston. And so it has come to pass. Would be great if Kofi does get the win, but that ain't going to happen.
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 18, 2019 10:45:48 GMT -5
Glad Brock is going to be apart of Smackdown I could do without him as World champ again tho.
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Post by chronocross on Sept 18, 2019 11:08:35 GMT -5
I think this is a wrap for Kofi's title reign, which is cool as he has had the belt longer than I thought he would.
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Post by The Trashman on Sept 18, 2019 11:25:00 GMT -5
There is no better person for Kofi to lose to. Anyone else short of the fiend would make him look worse.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 11:36:06 GMT -5
good get the title off that scrawny little string bean
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Post by Cyno on Sept 18, 2019 12:00:28 GMT -5
I really don't know how much crossover appeal Brock Lesnar even has anymore. Brock's lost a lot of his cache, especially after his failed drug test. And unlike the Hogans and Austins, he never really had the mainstream appeal outside of wrestling and MMA. And MMA fans are either already wrestling fans or think wrestling's a complete joke.
Granted as we saw last week, not even Stone Cold Steve Austin can get the ratings bump. Only guy who might be able to deliver that sort of big hype would be The Rock.
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Post by slaughterama on Sept 18, 2019 14:29:49 GMT -5
As far as Brock goes, he easily has the largest crossover appeal / name value in regards to the sports world on the roster, and it isn't close. If Ronda were to come back, you could argue she surpasses him. I wouldn't even know who to guess #3 is. Bryan, Reigns, or Orton? It's not how much he draws at house shows, because he's not on house shows, and he's not going to be. It's Fox believing he can tap into their demographic better than anyone else can. There's a huge difference between ads with Brock running during Modern Family or SVU, and ads with Brock running during football on Saturdays & Sundays. I mean, Fox paid a billion dollars for the show. It certainly seems they wanted Brock, and I'm sure they discussed how much he'd be a part of things. I'm going to go on a limb and say they discussed several options to main event that first show, I'm sure a Kofi/Ali/Miz Triple Threat wasn't ever put on the table. Here's my one glaring issue with that. Yes, Brock has been in front of bigger audiences but the last time before he confronted Cromier that Brock was seen by more eyes was him winning a match and then having that win revoked because of a failed drug test. Like, sure, that's MMA and not pro wrestling but in the same way that people might think "Wow, this dude is a name I know", wouldn't there be a chance they might also think "Man, here's that guy in MMA who can't stop taking drugs and hindering his career"? I mean, we'll find out one way or another but if we were talking about Brock post UFC run 1/post HHH and Cena feuds, then you'd have more of a case. Now, I don't know if you do. No, I agree. He definitely has lost a lot of the interest he had when he first came back, but he's still someone that can generate some outside interest in a way the others can't. He still has that, "Wonder what that guy is up to?" interest the way a shot Mike Tyson did in his latter days fighting on free TV against Danny Williams or Kevin McBride. The amateur wrestling circles still make a huge deal every time he shows up at Minnesota to work out with the team, so that interest in him is still there. Not as much, but it's still something. He's really the only guy they can offer as a "performer" with that hook.
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Post by Shark on Sept 18, 2019 14:51:40 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I don't think Brock wins the title. The Fiend is most likely going to win the Universal title because WWE's booked themselves into a corner with that. WWE can't have Fiend and Lesnar as champions right now because Survivor Series is coming up and the big match they do for that is Universal champion vs WWE champion. WWE's not going to do Fiend vs Brock on that show and neither of them can lose that match. Fiend getting dominated would kill him and Brock isn't going to OK losing that match. I just don't see it in the cards right now.
Also, say Fiend loses to Rollins and Brock wins. They're not gonna do Rollins vs. Lesnar again so soon. Rollins vs Kofi could be fun, but it will most likely be Fiend vs Kofi.
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Post by PTBartman on Sept 18, 2019 16:06:35 GMT -5
Just throwing out a name here but I would be on board with a returning Sheamus coming back and kicking Kofi's ass for the title. Sheamus is a credible champion. I would disagree I like Sheamus but his world champ days are over. Hell, it has been over for a while as when he won the briefcase and the title, it was unnecessary Then give it to Caesaro The dude deserves a short title run. Also Porn Stache Rusev would be a good alternative.
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Post by samantha on Sept 18, 2019 16:51:00 GMT -5
Hope Brock absolutely demolishes
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Post by Starshine on Sept 18, 2019 17:26:26 GMT -5
I like Brock so I'm not complaining. I just wish this Kofi run had been better. A really good title win, followed a bunch of nothing. I don't know if it's a case of Kofi not being able to carry his main events at a higher level, or the booking doing him a disservice, or something somewhere in between. But this whole thing unfortunately just hasn't worked.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 18:31:58 GMT -5
I like Brock so I'm not complaining. I just wish this Kofi run had been better. A really good title win, followed a bunch of nothing. I don't know if it's a case of Kofi not being able to carry his main events at a higher level, or the booking doing him a disservice, or something somewhere in between. But this whole thing unfortunately just hasn't worked. Idk, I think it worked very well
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Post by Starshine on Sept 18, 2019 20:40:04 GMT -5
I like Brock so I'm not complaining. I just wish this Kofi run had been better. A really good title win, followed a bunch of nothing. I don't know if it's a case of Kofi not being able to carry his main events at a higher level, or the booking doing him a disservice, or something somewhere in between. But this whole thing unfortunately just hasn't worked. Idk, I think it worked very well I just don't see what else there's been to really measure to 2019 expectations of quality. If we have the Bryan match as the goal post of quality, nothing has come close to that since. I wouldn't call him a failure, I don't think that's fair. But he's also not doing anything to really sell this run post the initial win as anything super special. His matches are by and large fine, but nothing to write home about. It's also not like he's been killing it with his promos either. He's still by and large presented as one of the New Day guys who happens to be holding one of the premier belts of the company, when he should be looked at as some sort of trend setter, and/or glass ceiling breaker. It doesn't help that they keep selling him as some sort of fluke in seemingly every single feud, and then a lot of the booking just further reflects that point. Like, if he held the IC belt instead right now, would any of the past few month worth of feuds feel all that out of place? If I were to remove all references to the WWE belt, I'd argue that this run has felt like a setup for something big for him in the near future, instead of the crowning high point run of his career.
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Post by BigAl on Sept 18, 2019 20:47:35 GMT -5
It doesn't help that he's just treated as one of the new day guys throwing pancakes and going off on this pancake stuff then a single star who's breaking through. He should have just been a solo guy after this and found a groove of his own instead of going back to the same old pancakes and God knows what else with a new day stick
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Sept 18, 2019 21:04:40 GMT -5
Kofi gets the upset win. Brock destroys New Day and Kofi. The make a story saying Kofi can't compete at HIAC.
However Kofi films a promo about never missing a fight or ducking a bully and says he will be at HIAC AND BROCK BETTER BE THERE!
Brock destroys Kofi at HIAC. Kofi gets some time off after getting drafted to RAW or even if he stays on SD.
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Post by slaughterama on Sept 19, 2019 1:01:29 GMT -5
Kofi gets destroyed. New Day gimmicks away on Mondays.
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