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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 20, 2019 21:48:08 GMT -5
All these bullshit rumours because they dared cast a g-g-girl! in the role I don't know, it's hard to attribute this rumor to something like that. I mean, this wouldn't happen until 2023, and based on how long we've seen modern Doctors stay in the role it seems very unlikely that Jodie Whittaker would still be around by then.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 20, 2019 21:59:37 GMT -5
Outside of the usual suspects, most people seem to like Jodie as the Doctor. It's the writing that's taken a turn for the worst, sadly.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 20, 2019 22:41:25 GMT -5
All these bullshit rumours because they dared cast a g-g-girl! in the role I don't know, it's hard to attribute this rumor to something like that. I mean, this wouldn't happen until 2023, and based on how long we've seen modern Doctors stay in the role it seems very unlikely that Jodie Whittaker would still be around by then. I wouldn’t buy that either. They’d already be casting someone new and be setting up her exit / regeneration episode if that was the case. I’ve been watching Doctor Who since I was a kid. I’ve seen every available episode out there. I understood fans being concerned that the gender swap could end up pushing some kind of agenda but it never did. Never even hinted at anything that could be misconstrued as such either. Jodie Whittaker has been fantastic in the role. Unfortunately the writing just isn’t as addictive as the RTD years. This story is just a rumor so it’s hard to take it seriously but rebooting the series would just kill it off entirely. It basically reboots whenever they change the lead or the writer anyway. If anything they should change the writer. Doctor Who is outstanding when it’s written well. The audience needs better stories, not a better cast.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2019 22:41:59 GMT -5
Outside of the usual suspects, most people seem to like Jodie as the Doctor. It's the writing that's taken a turn for the worst, sadly. What I remember of it I thought Jodi's season was way better than like all of Capaldis...
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Post by cosmo on Oct 20, 2019 22:48:11 GMT -5
I'm not getting the anti-Capaldi sentiment in this thread. I thought he was fine in the role. My problem with his run on the show is how much the writers adored Clara. It's like they were beating the audience over the head with her, trying to get everyone to laud her as the second coming of Sarah Jane Smith.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2019 22:52:52 GMT -5
I'm not getting the anti-Capaldi sentiment in this thread. I thought he was fine in the role. My problem with his run on the show is how much the writers adored Clara. It's like they were beating the audience over the head with her, trying to get everyone to laud her as the second coming of Sarah Jane Smith. I liked Capaldi as the Doctor but I think the writing really failed him a lot of the times.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 20, 2019 22:53:57 GMT -5
The writing started going downhill with Matt Smith's last series.
That was bad
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Post by cosmo on Oct 20, 2019 22:57:34 GMT -5
I'm not getting the anti-Capaldi sentiment in this thread. I thought he was fine in the role. My problem with his run on the show is how much the writers adored Clara. It's like they were beating the audience over the head with her, trying to get everyone to laud her as the second coming of Sarah Jane Smith. I liked Capaldi as the Doctor but I think the writing really failed him a lot of the times.
At the very least, he could deliver a hell of a monologue, no matter how mediocre it was written.
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Post by thechase on Oct 21, 2019 2:28:38 GMT -5
is this the "same rumours" as last time? and only to get rid of jody whittiker ..... otherwise NAH it's been just as brilliant as ever There's been a number of times Nu-Who hasn't been "brilliant", sometimes embarrassingly so. Le'ts not shall we? Jodie's a nice girl and I like her performance, but she just hasn't been the answer. Merchandise is failing. How can you be so sure the rumours are "bullshit?", they make a lot of sense to me, and they're persisting. Even when denying the Chibnall/Jodie departure rumours, the Radio Times couldn't even officially cite the BBC as a source, just another "insider". Christmas 2020 is her alleged exit, they're filming it now
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 21, 2019 2:53:34 GMT -5
Why hard reboot something that freely allows you to re-cast whenever you choose? Hell, they've literally done what could count as a "reboot" at least twice. Besides the big one, going from 2 to 3 they changed the entire premise of the show using a regeneration to justify it. Not in space, working with the government, much more of an action show. If they did change it to a once a year prestige show with 1 big story as a miniseries, that would work fine, it'd just need to fix the same big problem the show has now, a rubbish writer.
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Post by thechase on Oct 21, 2019 3:01:45 GMT -5
Why hard reboot something that freely allows you to re-cast whenever you choose? Hell, they've literally done what could count as a "reboot" at least twice. Besides the big one, going from 2 to 3 they changed the entire premise of the show using a regeneration to justify it. Not in space, working with the government, much more of an action show. If they did change it to a once a year prestige show with 1 big story as a miniseries, that would work fine, it'd just need to fix the same big problem the show has now, a rubbish writer. Certainly. Torchwood managed it in series three...one big story played out over a week. Hasn't been replicated since.
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Post by DSR on Oct 21, 2019 3:48:18 GMT -5
I tapped out during Capaldi. He sucked all the fun and life out of the show. Same!
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 21, 2019 4:08:50 GMT -5
The thing with Dr Who is it has this great gimmick of being able to change the lead actor, unfortunately it's also a bit of a curse as you lose fans who got invested in the previous actor of the role.
A hard re-boot is a terrible idea though, just finish off Jodie's series and then let Who rest for ten years or so then bring it back.
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Post by thechase on Oct 21, 2019 5:21:52 GMT -5
They could go really wild and use the ideas from the American writer's room, which revealed a lot about The Doctor's past. They were even going to re-do a lot of the older serials there too.
When Paul McGann was auditioning for the role of The Doctor, he was given the scripts for what that potential U.S series would resemble, before they changed things up for the TV movie.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 21, 2019 6:56:12 GMT -5
I also felt that Doctor Who took a sharp downturn in quality during Capaldi's run, but I wouldn't for one second blame that on Capaldi. It was blatantly obvious the entire time he was on the show that Steven Moffat had run out of ideas and was just throwing whatever he could think of against the wall to see what stuck.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 21, 2019 7:06:00 GMT -5
I also felt that Doctor Who took a sharp downturn in quality during Capaldi's run, but I wouldn't for one second blame that on Capaldi. It was blatantly obvious the entire time he was on the show that Steven Moffat had run out of ideas and was just throwing whatever he could think of against the wall to see what stuck. Yeah, Capaldi has been great but the greatest actor can't make f***ing eye crust monsters work.
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Post by thechase on Oct 21, 2019 7:19:38 GMT -5
I also felt that Doctor Who took a sharp downturn in quality during Capaldi's run, but I wouldn't for one second blame that on Capaldi. It was blatantly obvious the entire time he was on the show that Steven Moffat had run out of ideas and was just throwing whatever he could think of against the wall to see what stuck. Moffat only ever had two good series, five and nine. Five is the only one that has any kind of cohesive vision to it. I know a lot hate nine, largely for the disaster of a finale, the Hybrid angle that went nowhere, the Maise Willaims episodes, and "Sleep No More", but I found it pretty engaging, had a great Doctor/Davros opener, relied more on old-school serialisation, the Zygon two-parter was great and had an anti-fanatic message that didn't get in the way of the story, and then there was "Heaven Sent", Moffat's final tour de force and Capaldi's finest hour.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 21, 2019 7:34:21 GMT -5
I also felt that Doctor Who took a sharp downturn in quality during Capaldi's run, but I wouldn't for one second blame that on Capaldi. It was blatantly obvious the entire time he was on the show that Steven Moffat had run out of ideas and was just throwing whatever he could think of against the wall to see what stuck. I think it was dual problem of sheer burnout (running DW and Sherlock and involved in stuff like the Tintin movie is going to wear on him after a while) and that it felt like he was losing interest in the title character in favor of the companions like Clara. That would be fine, except that Moffat's strengths were always more in writing the Doctor than the companions (very much the opposite of Davies in that regard). Clara would be the Impossible Girl, a critical figure, and one that the Doctor nearly broke the universe the save, yet never felt quite as realized as person in comparison to a Rose, Martha, or Donna. The Heaven Sent/Hell Bent dualogy is a great illustration of this, with the former being an incredible bottle show that delivers as a character driven exploration of the Doctor's grief and angry frustation bordering on madness... and the second is a huge mess which wastes tons of potential story opportunities just to get to the writing solution to prevent/delay Clara's death. Its a two parter that shows Moffat at his best and at his worst.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 21, 2019 7:48:43 GMT -5
I also felt that Doctor Who took a sharp downturn in quality during Capaldi's run, but I wouldn't for one second blame that on Capaldi. It was blatantly obvious the entire time he was on the show that Steven Moffat had run out of ideas and was just throwing whatever he could think of against the wall to see what stuck. I think it was dual problem of sheer burnout (running DW and Sherlock and involved in stuff like the Tintin movie is going to wear on him after a while) and that it felt like he was losing interest in the title character in favor of the companions like Clara. That would be fine, except that Moffat's strengths were always more in writing the Doctor than the companions (very much the opposite of Davies in that regard). Clara would be the Impossible Girl, a critical figure, and one that the Doctor nearly broke the universe the save, yet never felt quite as realized as person in comparison to a Rose, Martha, or Donna. The Heaven Sent/Hell Bent dualogy is a great illustration of this, with the former being an incredible bottle show that delivers as a character driven exploration of the Doctor's grief and angry frustation bordering on madness... and the second is a huge mess which wastes tons of potential story opportunities just to get to the writing solution to prevent/delay Clara's death. Its a two parter that shows Moffat at his best and at his worst. Thing is, I loved the last Capaldi season. Bill is up there with my favourite companions ever, and the writing, it felt like knowing he wasn't going to be there next year took a wait off of Moffat's shoulders, he'd just throw out ideas and see what happened. Didn't always work, but overall it seemed a much more "fun" series, then hit you with a punch in one of the darkest episodes ever.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 21, 2019 8:05:17 GMT -5
I think it was dual problem of sheer burnout (running DW and Sherlock and involved in stuff like the Tintin movie is going to wear on him after a while) and that it felt like he was losing interest in the title character in favor of the companions like Clara. That would be fine, except that Moffat's strengths were always more in writing the Doctor than the companions (very much the opposite of Davies in that regard). Clara would be the Impossible Girl, a critical figure, and one that the Doctor nearly broke the universe the save, yet never felt quite as realized as person in comparison to a Rose, Martha, or Donna. The Heaven Sent/Hell Bent dualogy is a great illustration of this, with the former being an incredible bottle show that delivers as a character driven exploration of the Doctor's grief and angry frustation bordering on madness... and the second is a huge mess which wastes tons of potential story opportunities just to get to the writing solution to prevent/delay Clara's death. Its a two parter that shows Moffat at his best and at his worst. Thing is, I loved the last season. Bill is up there with my favourite companions ever, and the writing, it felt like knowing he wasn't going to be there next year took a wait off of Moffat's shoulders, he'd just throw out ideas and see what happened. Didn't always work, but overall it seemed a much more "fun" series, then hit you with a punch in one of the darkest episodes ever. I'd agree. It felt like the series where Moffat found a balance in writing both the Doctor and his allies; with Bill managing genuine characterization far sooner as Companion than previous ones he's created. Moreover their episodes benefited from any romantic subtext with the Doctor finally being a non-issue, and the addition of Nardole also adding another refreshing character element to it. Even the involvement of Missy felt like it let the writing really sink their teeth into an interesting dynamic for the Tardis crew (initial mystery box silliness with the vault aside). The writing for 12 in general felt stronger too, with his speech on kindness in Doctor Falls possibly being the some of the best work Capaldi's ever done. The pity of it was that the sins of series 7-9 had left the show bereft of some of the attention and buzz that series 10 deserved in hindsight.
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