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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Nov 2, 2019 3:46:09 GMT -5
The trope of "conniving businessman in a fancy suit managing shouty cocaine-fueled post-apocalyptic warrior" makes no sense and shouldn't have worked for anyone, but it was such a staple of 80s and early 90s wrestling that it just feels right to me, and I love seeing modern tributes to it. There's probably far better examples out there but the Warlord and Slick were the first 2 that came to my mind. Who is currently doing a tribute to such acts?
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 5, 2019 22:03:12 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase and most of the guys he managed in the Million Dollar Corporation. I feel that was moreso how they were booked. The idea of an evil millionaire leading a heel stable isn't bad on paper, but it was moreso the execution of it. They were just a bunch of mismatch randos(Sid, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, IRS, Tatanka, etc) that didn't have a common agenda, weren't seen as a threat, nor did they win any championships. The only thing that linked them together was that they were managed by Dibiase. Maybe if they took part in group beatdowns and given a corporate makeover to fit with the theme of the stable and had a common goal, it could've worked. It was WWF's first attempt at a stable(i'm not counting manager-centric ones) and it showed. To keep up with the thread, I'd say the one-time pairing of Shawn Michaels and Luna Vachon at Wrestlemania IX. They eventually had Vachon managed Bigelow which was a much better match. Oh, and Slick and The Bolsheviks never made sense to me, even as a young mark. Why would a hustler-type straight from a blaxplotation film manage a bunch of communists sympathizers?
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 12, 2019 9:29:04 GMT -5
The very brief period when they did that story where Debra was forced to be Rock's manager. The pairing wasn't suppose to make sense. It was just to add fuel to the fire leading into The Rock/Austin match at Wrestlemania X-7 by Vince forcibly pairing his(Austin's) wife with The Rock. The Rock even said he didn't want Debra as a manager.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Nov 12, 2019 9:48:10 GMT -5
Currently rewatching Survivor Series 2008 and totally forgot the William Regal/Layla pairing was a thing.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Nov 12, 2019 16:27:42 GMT -5
Bob Backlund co-managing The Sultan.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 12, 2019 16:44:53 GMT -5
The very brief period when they did that story where Debra was forced to be Rock's manager. The pairing wasn't suppose to make sense. It was just to add fuel to the fire leading into The Rock/Austin match at Wrestlemania X-7 by Vince forcibly pairing his(Austin's) wife with The Rock. The Rock even said he didn't want Debra as a manager. Truth be told, they just did it to fill TV. Austin vs The Rock sold itself and they knew it so they had no idea how to do the build.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Nov 12, 2019 17:27:15 GMT -5
Jimmy Hart with individual members of the Dungeon of Doom was weird. He and Sullivan kinda worked, so did him with Luger and with the Faces of Fear. But Hart coming out with Hugh Morrus, Konnan, Shark, and the like, it was just strange lol
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 12, 2019 17:32:55 GMT -5
Currently rewatching Survivor Series 2008 and totally forgot the William Regal/Layla pairing was a thing. Both of them are British, but I don't remember them having any chemistry.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 12, 2019 19:10:02 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase and most of the guys he managed in the Million Dollar Corporation. I feel that was moreso how they were booked. The idea of an evil millionaire leading a heel stable isn't bad on paper, but it was moreso the execution of it. They were just a bunch of mismatch randos(Sid, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, IRS, Tatanka, etc) that didn't have a common agenda, weren't seen as a threat, nor did they win any championships. The only thing that linked them together was that they were managed by Dibiase. Maybe if they took part in group beatdowns and given a corporate makeover to fit with the theme of the stable and had a common goal, it could've worked. It was WWF's first attempt at a stable(i'm not counting manager-centric ones) and it showed. To keep up with the thread, I'd say the one-time pairing of Shawn Michaels and Luna Vachon at Wrestlemania IX. They eventually had Vachon managed Bigelow which was a much better match. Oh, and Slick and The Bolsheviks never made sense to me, even as a young mark. Why would a hustler-type straight from a blaxplotation film manage a bunch of communists sympathizers? A lot of the time they’d explain stuff like that with “He thinks they can win him a championship” When they pretended wins and losses mattered and the manager had a piece of the contract, a champion meant more money for the manager. In return, the guy thought the manager would give them an advantage.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 12, 2019 19:21:05 GMT -5
I feel that was moreso how they were booked. The idea of an evil millionaire leading a heel stable isn't bad on paper, but it was moreso the execution of it. They were just a bunch of mismatch randos(Sid, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, IRS, Tatanka, etc) that didn't have a common agenda, weren't seen as a threat, nor did they win any championships. The only thing that linked them together was that they were managed by Dibiase. Maybe if they took part in group beatdowns and given a corporate makeover to fit with the theme of the stable and had a common goal, it could've worked. It was WWF's first attempt at a stable(i'm not counting manager-centric ones) and it showed. To keep up with the thread, I'd say the one-time pairing of Shawn Michaels and Luna Vachon at Wrestlemania IX. They eventually had Vachon managed Bigelow which was a much better match. Oh, and Slick and The Bolsheviks never made sense to me, even as a young mark. Why would a hustler-type straight from a blaxplotation film manage a bunch of communists sympathizers? A lot of the time they’d explain stuff like that with “He thinks they can win him a championship” When they pretended wins and losses mattered and the manager had a piece of the contract, a champion meant more money for the manager. In return, the guy thought the manager would give them an advantage. Are you talking about Ted Dibiase's association with his lackies or the Slick/Bolshevik combo?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 12, 2019 19:28:35 GMT -5
A lot of the time they’d explain stuff like that with “He thinks they can win him a championship” When they pretended wins and losses mattered and the manager had a piece of the contract, a champion meant more money for the manager. In return, the guy thought the manager would give them an advantage. Are you talking about Ted Dibiase's association with his lackies or the Slick/Bolshevik combo? More so Slick but it applies to the Million Dollar Corporation too.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Nov 12, 2019 19:57:08 GMT -5
Jimmy Hart with individual members of the Dungeon of Doom was weird. He and Sullivan kinda worked, so did him with Luger and with the Faces of Fear. But Hart coming out with Hugh Morrus, Konnan, Shark, and the like, it was just strange lol Konnan did not fit in that group at all.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 13, 2019 9:06:08 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase Jr and Maryse was always a weird one. One of the more blatant attempts of "hey, she's hot, cheer this guy!" but people just never bothered with the second part.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 13, 2019 10:23:46 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase Jr and Maryse was always a weird one. One of the more blatant attempts of "hey, she's hot, cheer this guy!" but people just never bothered with the second part. It was a dual case of some people being aware of her relationship with Miz, thus wondering how she wasn't with him, and the fact that DiBiase Jr would have been better served with a different woman on his arm every week ala early Hunter Hearst Helmsley. The latter would have at least sold the rich douchey heel aspect better anyway. The lack of creative's effort on the gimmick was a big problem in general with him; no nice suits, limo entrances, no bribing people off. If not for the Million Dollar Belt & Virgil briefly working for him, you could be forgiven for wondering how the frowning guy coming out in a t-shirt and tights was supposed to be rich.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 13, 2019 12:42:21 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase Jr and Maryse was always a weird one. One of the more blatant attempts of "hey, she's hot, cheer this guy!" but people just never bothered with the second part. It was a dual case of some people being aware of her relationship with Miz, thus wondering how she wasn't with him, and the fact that DiBiase Jr would have been better served with a different woman on his arm every week ala early Hunter Hearst Helmsley. The latter would have at least sold the rich douchey heel aspect better anyway. The lack of creative's effort on the gimmick was a big problem in general with him; no nice suits, limo entrances, no bribing people off. If not for the Million Dollar Belt & Virgil briefly working for him, you could be forgiven for wondering how the frowning guy coming out in a t-shirt and tights was supposed to be rich. It was also an admission that he couldn't get over on his own merits due to lack of charisma/personality. It came off as a lazy attempt to get him over by replicating his dad due to not knowing what else to do with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 14:00:51 GMT -5
Hogan and Jimmy Hart Zeb Colter and Del Rio The Jackyl and the Truth Commission Drake Maverick and AOP (HATED this)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2019 8:49:52 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase Jr and Maryse was always a weird one. One of the more blatant attempts of "hey, she's hot, cheer this guy!" but people just never bothered with the second part. Well no, the idea wasn't to cheer him. Maryse was supposed to draw heat for him, but the problem was that no matter what they did, he was nowhere near as hateable in the gimmick as his old man. I still think they had the right idea with his face turn. The DiBiase posse thing was actually starting to get over but they never did anything with him
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 14, 2019 9:59:00 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Paul Jones and The Ball Bearing.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 14, 2019 10:33:58 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Paul Jones and The Ball Bearing. Scott Keith, give Norm his keyboard, NOW. I just accepted the Army as a random band of misfits.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 14, 2019 10:38:27 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Paul Jones and The Ball Bearing. Scott Keith, give Norm his keyboard, NOW. I just accepted the Army as a random band of misfits. I should have credited Scott Keith for stealing his bit.
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