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Post by flakeymcgill on Nov 6, 2019 16:26:39 GMT -5
No one man is more responsible for anyone here being a wrestling fan than Vince McMahon. Yes he's lost his way and the product has stunk for years but I do find the way people talk of him as fairly disrespectful. Think what you like of the modern product his legacy is phenomenal and his impact over this form of 'entertainment' will never be rivalled after him.
It's like if the Beatles had never broken up but just gradually declined in music quality. Their hypothetical crap 1989 album wouldn't be what they were remembered for, it'd be their pioneering stuff in the 60s that changed the landscape of popular music forever. Same with Vince.
He isn't just at the top of he's field, he designed the field, paid the guy who planted the turf and asked him to mow a pattern of his own penis and testicles in it. I hate the current product with a passion but anyone arguing that Vince will be remembered as anything less than an absolute God of the industry in years to come, is way off the mark.
He's our Walt Disney. Our Elvis. Spielberg.
Nobody looks back and say "All things considered, Dumbo was crap, Elvis got fat and Hook was a piece of shit, therefore all those people ain't as good as some think". He'll be remembered for taking wrestling national, Hulkamania, the Attitude era and being a pop culture icon.
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Post by XIII on Nov 6, 2019 16:35:24 GMT -5
Depends on which scandals pop up before or shortly after his passing.
My personal opinion of Vince is that he saw how MTV and cable TV was expanding and becoming ubiquitous so he signed 99% of the top talent and surrounded himself with great wrestling minds(Patterson, etc.). Vince definitely had skills and good ideas, but I feel like he was always more of a businessman than an actual creative genius. Not to discredit him completely, but it would have taken complete and total incompetence on every level to screw up Hulkamania and that era.
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Post by tankisfreemason on Nov 6, 2019 16:38:58 GMT -5
Psychotic, evil, genius m/billionaire with a good heart who was too stuck in his ways.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 6, 2019 16:43:40 GMT -5
As a dirtbag carny.
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Nov 6, 2019 16:53:12 GMT -5
An American success story. An icon for his industry. A philanthropist. A visionary. A crazy, rich, white man.
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Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 6, 2019 16:59:40 GMT -5
"He was the sh*ts!" - Alan Rogowski
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Post by horseface on Nov 6, 2019 17:03:57 GMT -5
A crude, callous self-obsessed bigot. A major figure in shaping the current look of professional wrestling.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 6, 2019 18:13:00 GMT -5
There'll be a spit between those who buy into the WWE narrative, those who don't, and those who don't care and just know him as the wrestling guy.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 6, 2019 18:14:17 GMT -5
Some people will say he lucked his way to the top. And they would be wrong. Vince has had his share of good fortune over the years, but you can't turn a regional promotion in a very niche form of entertainment into a billion-dollar international powerhouse and keep it going for four decades on luck. Vince is a complicated person. A ruthless businessman and scumbag, for sure, and has lingered long past the point of being beneficial to the company, but there's plenty of stories of him being generous, compassionate, and decent. As others have said, the only way to sum up how Vince McMahon will be remembered is to just say he was Vince McMahon.
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Post by Aceorton on Nov 6, 2019 18:19:53 GMT -5
The sports entertainment visionary whose brilliant XFL concept rose from the ashes to put the NFL out of business.
Print it.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 6, 2019 18:22:17 GMT -5
A Rich Scumbag. Some people will say he lucked his way to the top. I read this as something else at first.
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Post by warden on Nov 6, 2019 20:15:41 GMT -5
He will be remembered as the creator of wrestling. The man that turned an ugly word like wrestling into sports entertainment. The man to take sports entertainment out from the rank, smoke filled bingo halls to gigantic stadiums. And the genius to bring it all to households of millions watching worldwide. His naysayers will perish in the wind but his legend will live on forever... In a giant marble statue... That's how you'll remember him. Cause he'll have a pyramid sized statue constructed somewhere. It's what I would do if I were him
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Great Job!
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Post by spagett on Nov 6, 2019 20:45:18 GMT -5
He will be remembered as the creator of wrestling. The man that turned an ugly word like wrestling into sports entertainment. The man to take sports entertainment out from the rank, smoke filled bingo halls to gigantic stadiums. And the genius to bring it all to households of millions watching worldwide. His naysayers will perish in the wind but his legend will live on forever... In a giant marble statue... That's how you'll remember him. Cause he'll have a pyramid sized statue constructed somewhere. It's what I would do if I were him Wow it's Bruce Prichard!
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 6, 2019 20:49:37 GMT -5
As a legendary former WWF and ECW champion that battled Hulk Hogan in a Wrestlemania Match so epic that it took the Hulkster three leg drops to put him away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 21:18:26 GMT -5
I don’t know him personally, so I can’t possibly judge him on that.
However. I’d say he will mostly be remembered as a genius who created this big empire. Those of us long term fans will know he had his faults and was stubborn with his views.
But like other posts have said, he is responsible for the amazing stuff we did see. And when it’s good, it’s great.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 6, 2019 21:30:59 GMT -5
PT Barnum of his era. Trashy huckster cynically playing to the lowest common denominator, and damn good at it.
The actual quality of the WWF/E product will largely be irrelevant to discussions of him, since it'll be looked back upon as a basically irreproducible niche freakshow that managed to hit the right notes at the right time to make a lot of money. Even if the company manages to survive for very long after Vince's passing, it's not hitting the '80s/'90s peak again.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Nov 7, 2019 4:10:29 GMT -5
No one man is more responsible for anyone here being a wrestling fan than Vince McMahon. Yes he's lost his way and the product has stunk for years but I do find the way people talk of him as fairly disrespectful. Think what you like of the modern product his legacy is phenomenal and his impact over this form of 'entertainment' will never be rivalled after him. It's like if the Beatles had never broken up but just gradually declined in music quality. Their hypothetical crap 1989 album wouldn't be what they were remembered for, it'd be their pioneering stuff in the 60s that changed the landscape of popular music forever. Same with Vince. He isn't just at the top of he's field, he designed the field, paid the guy who planted the turf and asked him to mow a pattern of his own penis and testicles in it. I hate the current product with a passion but anyone arguing that Vince will be remembered as anything less than an absolute God of the industry in years to come, is way off the mark. He's our Walt Disney. Our Elvis. Spielberg. Nobody looks back and say "All things considered, Dumbo was crap, Elvis got fat and Hook was a piece of shit, therefore all those people ain't as good as some think". He'll be remembered for taking wrestling national, Hulkamania, the Attitude era and being a pop culture icon. Thing is, you probably can find people within the various fandoms that do think like that. Kind of like how you can find people who could spend an afternoon telling you how George Lucas or the guys who made Game of Thrones are worthless hacks. So there will always be people convinced that anyone in Vince's position could've made the WWE into what it was. For the wider world he'll be the guy who basically invented pro-wrestling, an eccentric who was an ATG promoter. It's worth remembering also that we just recently had a thread on here where Rollins beat Reigns, Cena and HHH to win a vote on the worst top guy ever. Things happening now are always seen as being worse than things in the past, even if they hated them. People will more than likely end up saying HHH run WWE is even worse than the current version
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 7, 2019 4:16:34 GMT -5
A cut-throat arsehole who is the single greatest wrestling promoter ever.
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Post by schizo on Nov 7, 2019 4:23:12 GMT -5
As the greatest ECW Champion of all time
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Nov 7, 2019 5:00:26 GMT -5
A wrestling visionary who failed at everything else in life.
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