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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 9, 2019 18:44:43 GMT -5
I think Tenyu running WAR is probably the only promoter I can't recall anyone talking some level of shit about.
Quackenbush is an absolute control freak who has no qualms manipulating workers or fans for his purposes. It's minor compared to many of these others, but I have to wonder if he'd have a company at all without the alumni he turned out meaning people put up with his bullshit.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 9, 2019 18:48:57 GMT -5
WWC pushing Jose Gonzales as a babyface after killing Bruiser Brody.
TNA signing Pacman Jones.
Ian Rotton doing anything.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Nov 9, 2019 19:39:26 GMT -5
Quackenbush is an absolute control freak who has no qualms manipulating workers or fans for his purposes. It's minor compared to many of these others, but I have to wonder if he'd have a company at all without the alumni he turned out meaning people put up with his bullshit. That and him sleeping with a trainee which lead to him having to run a storyline that the company shut down and destroying any chance the company had of truly blowing up
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 9, 2019 20:26:13 GMT -5
Quackenbush is an absolute control freak who has no qualms manipulating workers or fans for his purposes. It's minor compared to many of these others, but I have to wonder if he'd have a company at all without the alumni he turned out meaning people put up with his bullshit. That and him sleeping with a trainee which lead to him having to run a storyline that the company shut down and destroying any chance the company had of truly blowing up I considered bringing that up, but I wasn't sure if that was ever confirmed or not.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Nov 9, 2019 20:34:03 GMT -5
I heard a story about Giant Baba having wrestlers sign over life insurance policies to him. When one died (think it was a plane crash), Baba got everything and the wrestler's widow got nothing.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 9, 2019 21:09:50 GMT -5
Rob Black: sends thugs to kill one of his wrestlers who was sleeping with his wife, and aside from being a wrestling promoter, made and sold rape porn.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 9, 2019 22:23:55 GMT -5
DJ Hyde used to call the cops on GCW shows and try to get them shut down. One of the bookers for GCW Brett Lauderdale as a ref for CZW used to reveal finishes to matches Damn, I like Hyde in some ways, but this is a crappy stunt I hate that people pull. I remember a promoter in Connecticut tried to get a monopoly on the indies there by calling the fire marshall any time a company that wasn’t his booked a show there. I think he even pulled this stunt on a TNA house show. Are you by any chance thinking of National Wrestling Superstars?
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Post by thetower52 on Nov 10, 2019 0:52:06 GMT -5
Most indy promoters suck donkey ass
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 10, 2019 0:59:28 GMT -5
DJ Hyde used to call the cops on GCW shows and try to get them shut down. One of the bookers for GCW Brett Lauderdale as a ref for CZW used to reveal finishes to matches Damn, I like Hyde in some ways, but this is a crappy stunt I hate that people pull. I remember a promoter in Connecticut tried to get a monopoly on the indies there by calling the fire marshall any time a company that wasn’t his booked a show there. I think he even pulled this stunt on a TNA house show. Didn't New Japan start their NYC show really late because someone told the city the show was canceled, so they had no ambulance at the show which is a major no-no? I still wonder about that, because the average, everyday person isn't going to think to do that as a prank. Someone had to have a promoter's knowledge to attempt that kind of sabotage.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 10, 2019 5:24:29 GMT -5
Verne Gagne tried to strongarm Stan Hansen, and then Hogan, for huge amounts of money he really had no claim to. I'm sure he would have tried to get Slaughter's GI Joe money if that wasn't the only way he could get Slaughter over WWF. I know we have to take Iron Sheik's word for it, but I honestly do buy that he tried to offer Sheiky money to injure Hogan in the ring, or at the very least, intentionally expose him by shooting on him. Not going to hold him killing someone against him, given Verne was too far gone at that point to be responsible for his actions, but bringing it up since someone will if I don't. Heenan confirmed Shiek’s story. Said that’s why even today (well when Heenan wrote the book like 2001) that’s why Vince still uses Shiek.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 10, 2019 9:58:14 GMT -5
Fritz Von Erich: Father of the Century is the first thing that comes to mind.
Ian Rotten paying recovering addict JC Bailey in pain pills that later killed him.
Ian Rotten sending half the IWA-MS roster out to legit beat the shit out of Mike Levy over because he accidentally injured Mickey Knuckles.
also Herb Abrams dying of a heart attack whilst coated in cocaine and vaseline and chasing hookers around his house with a baseball bat.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2019 10:05:41 GMT -5
While not as bad as some of the other stuff mentioned, Tommy Dreamer has said that he had a buyer lined up to purchase ECW in late 2000, but Paul Heyman kept no-showing meetings because he knew that he wouldn't have complete control over the product if it happened. After the talent were owed thousands of dollars (in some cases, five or six figures), Paul had the opportunity to at least make sure they'd get paid after they broke their bodies for his company, but his ego wouldn't let him do it. The assets got sold to WWE for a fraction of what they were worth and the wrestlers got little, if anything, to show for it. Didn’t some of the wrestlers still never actually get paid? I’m pretty sure all the big names ended up getting more than what they were owed through WWE’s boner for ECW stuff in the mid-2000s. No idea about the job guys though. I remember some of the bigger names were owed thousands. I can’t remember the exact figure, but when the company folded I remember hearing RVD was owed by far the most. For some reason I’m thinking $75,000 but I may be way off.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2019 10:10:50 GMT -5
I think Tenyu running WAR is probably the only promoter I can't recall anyone talking some level of shit about. Quackenbush is an absolute control freak who has no qualms manipulating workers or fans for his purposes. It's minor compared to many of these others, but I have to wonder if he'd have a company at all without the alumni he turned out meaning people put up with his bullshit. Was it ever explained what the whole deal with CHIKARA splintering into several different promotions for a while was all about? I remember reading speculation that it wasn’t a creative choice and that it had something to do with Quack getting a divorce. If it was a creative choice though then Quack being a control freak really blew up in his face. CHIKARA had a bunch of online buzz before the splintering and though they’re still going I think they may be even bigger now if all that buzz didn’t die way down for a while. Edit: D’oh! I should have read the rest of the thread before posting. Anyway, carry on.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2019 10:17:14 GMT -5
Damn, I like Hyde in some ways, but this is a crappy stunt I hate that people pull. I remember a promoter in Connecticut tried to get a monopoly on the indies there by calling the fire marshall any time a company that wasn’t his booked a show there. I think he even pulled this stunt on a TNA house show. Are you by any chance thinking of National Wrestling Superstars? No idea. I saw it mentioned in a few places and tried starting a thread on here once asking about it, but the thread got no sold. I’d be curious to know more about the situation. Damn, I like Hyde in some ways, but this is a crappy stunt I hate that people pull. I remember a promoter in Connecticut tried to get a monopoly on the indies there by calling the fire marshall any time a company that wasn’t his booked a show there. I think he even pulled this stunt on a TNA house show. Didn't New Japan start their NYC show really late because someone told the city the show was canceled, so they had no ambulance at the show which is a major no-no? I still wonder about that, because the average, everyday person isn't going to think to do that as a prank. Someone had to have a promoter's knowledge to attempt that kind of sabotage. It wouldn’t surprise me.
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Post by cjh on Nov 10, 2019 10:19:52 GMT -5
While not as bad as some of the other stuff mentioned, Tommy Dreamer has said that he had a buyer lined up to purchase ECW in late 2000, but Paul Heyman kept no-showing meetings because he knew that he wouldn't have complete control over the product if it happened. After the talent were owed thousands of dollars (in some cases, five or six figures), Paul had the opportunity to at least make sure they'd get paid after they broke their bodies for his company, but his ego wouldn't let him do it. The assets got sold to WWE for a fraction of what they were worth and the wrestlers got little, if anything, to show for it. Didn’t some of the wrestlers still never actually get paid? I’m pretty sure all the big names ended up getting more than what they were owed through WWE’s boner for ECW stuff in the mid-2000s. No idea about the job guys though. I remember some of the bigger names were owed thousands. I can’t remember the exact figure, but when the company folded I remember hearing RVD was owed by far the most. For some reason I’m thinking $75,000 but I may be way off. www.angelfire.com/tv2/tvwrestling/ecwbank.html
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2019 10:23:03 GMT -5
Didn’t some of the wrestlers still never actually get paid? I’m pretty sure all the big names ended up getting more than what they were owed through WWE’s boner for ECW stuff in the mid-2000s. No idea about the job guys though. I remember some of the bigger names were owed thousands. I can’t remember the exact figure, but when the company folded I remember hearing RVD was owed by far the most. For some reason I’m thinking $75,000 but I may be way off. www.angelfire.com/tv2/tvwrestling/ecwbank.htmlHehe, yep the same article I read back in the day, but wow for the RVD one it was double what I remembered!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -5
Rob Feinstein, original owner of ROH, is a pedophile.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 10, 2019 11:42:05 GMT -5
Are you by any chance thinking of National Wrestling Superstars? No idea. I saw it mentioned in a few places and tried starting a thread on here once asking about it, but the thread got no sold. I’d be curious to know more about the situation. Do the names Johnny Falco/Joe Panzarino nor Gino Moore ring any bells? Those were the promoters there. I heard about the fire marshal calls from one company, what is now WrestlePro. But then again I heard other motivations for them to go after NWS too, more on a personal level. (it led to WP -- then PWS -- "stars" shoot invading an NWS show and commandeering the house mic and airing dirty laundry, which I think amazingly WASN'T about the phone calls!) Anyhow...to add to our list... something something Paul Heyman's checks. The Tammy Sytch expose on TNN. Getting people to chant "F--- Sabu" when he took a higher-paying NJPW stint? (thus birthing the "you sold out" movement)? Rob Black also threatened live animal abuse on his website, only backing down when cops were called and saying he was just kidding. The Eric Bischoff/Ric Flair situation from 1998. I'd count the "Be a fan" moment in ROH from Bully Ray.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 10, 2019 11:43:31 GMT -5
Most indy promoters suck donkey ass Not enough likes for you. I am part of a group that's had LOTS of problems with indy promoters and wrestlers being disrespectful and abusive. I know what Seth Rollins and others do on Twitter is bad, but social media abuse of fans has been around longer than that with Indy "talent" especially. And it gets much more personal there. They act and talk like high school bullies from the 90s.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 10, 2019 12:20:02 GMT -5
That and him sleeping with a trainee which lead to him having to run a storyline that the company shut down and destroying any chance the company had of truly blowing up I considered bringing that up, but I wasn't sure if that was ever confirmed or not. It wasn't ever confirmed, and I personally don't buy it at all. It's too salacious; the truth is probably just it was an ambitious creative idea that he never had a good handle on and that was completely separated from what fans actually like and want. For specific sleaze, the Condron pettiness is what comes to my mind first. Generally, Quack just has that old wrestling mindset where, if you want to succeed as a wrestler, you do a bunch of free, dangerous labor without complaining. I'm sure it's common, but he's strangely unapologetic about it.
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