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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 11, 2019 11:29:51 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. I feel as if Cody will end up being the least scummy of wrestling promoters when it’s all said and done
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 11, 2019 12:03:26 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Wasn’t Stu Hart also generally well thought of?
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Nov 11, 2019 19:21:07 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Wasn’t Stu Hart also generally well thought of? Maybe as a person but he had some super sketchy business associates.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 11, 2019 21:36:08 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Wasn’t Stu Hart also generally well thought of? I feel like anyone who raised Smith and Bruce is going to raise some eyebrows. They learned to be scammers somewhere.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 11, 2019 21:56:11 GMT -5
DJ mentioned it in his shoot as what the rumor among the boys was, but I remember that rumor floating long before he said anything. I remember long before DJ commented on that that CHIKARA stopped because Quack was going through a nasty divorce and his soon to be ex and her family actually owned the name. Quack is also known for being insanely cheap. See the first Pro Wrestling Day where he charged for tickets and parking (or at least parking) but didnt pay the wrestlers anything. When Zandig owned CZW and he was having a dispute with Johnny Kashmere he had Kashmere beat up... he also pushed SMV owner Matt Burns down the stairs for not liking booking decisions. Not gonna comment on the GCW/CZW stuff. Let's just say both DJ and Lauderdale are petulant children dealing with each other and they have both screwed each other over enough for me to have any sympathy for either of them. I think at this point they have been told by enough people to just ignore each other. I think its for the best they ignore rach other. Cops havent been called on a GCW show in a while and CZW is doing its thing. Someone did call the cops on their backyard show, but that could have been unhappy neighbors since they were really in some dude's backyard.
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 11, 2019 22:45:51 GMT -5
I think its for the best they ignore rach other. Cops havent been called on a GCW show in a while and CZW is doing its thing. Someone did call the cops on their backyard show, but that could have been unhappy neighbors since they were really in some dude's backyard. That one I dont blame on DJ. They were literally in someone elses yard I did laugh at Gage running
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Post by MC Blowfish on Nov 12, 2019 8:58:30 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Wasn’t Stu Hart also generally well thought of? But Stu liked to take guys into the dungeon and stretch them for his own enjoyment.
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Post by dav on Nov 12, 2019 9:03:41 GMT -5
Wasn’t Stu Hart also generally well thought of? But Stu liked to take guys into the dungeon and stretch them for his own enjoyment. … Never knew Stu was into that.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 12, 2019 13:21:58 GMT -5
As much as I like them most of the time, PROGRESS management had exactly one request from Pollyanna, and it was "Please don't book me on any show with Scotty Wainwright there, he's my abusive ex boyfriend" and they didn't listen.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 20, 2019 16:37:08 GMT -5
Apparently a local company here got financed in their infancy because a fan who was a regular at a lot of Jersey indy shows paid the heads of the company to allow him to privately do holds/spots that became of an "intimate" nature.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 20, 2019 18:33:53 GMT -5
Verne Gagne slept with the wife of Eddie Sharkey, Eddie retaliated by setting fire to Verne’s office.
In Gagne’s obituary, Meltzer put it best “he was generally hated”.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Nov 20, 2019 19:37:23 GMT -5
Can best be put this way, Vince McMahon is Mr Burns while Dixie is Mom. Mom is a diabolical genius. Dixie is no genius. Yeah, Dixie is Walt at best
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Post by Andee9001 on Nov 21, 2019 4:18:28 GMT -5
There was a local company near where i live who had a backer who left them in a lot of debt before he started his own promotion. He tried to make it legit by having contracts made up and made a big deal about paying talent and paying them well and bashing other companies that couldn't afford to.
Turns out he couldn't either because after he started trying to book Will Osperay he did a show that bombed and he couldn't honor the contracts. This led to Osperay speaking out on behalf of the wrestlers.
The promoter then put out a video spaced out of his mind on something and threatened Osperay physically as well as legally.
There was a lot of other dodgy stuff going on with him and the local wrestling scene which messed things up for a lot of local wrestlers. Around that time he also ended up on a media watch dog show with his other buisness before he eventually sold his company.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 21, 2019 14:40:19 GMT -5
Apparently a local company here got financed in their infancy because a fan who was a regular at a lot of Jersey indy shows paid the heads of the company to allow him to privately do holds/spots that became of an "intimate" nature. Wait, he was putting holds on the wrestlers working for the company or on the actual owners?
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Nov 21, 2019 17:41:43 GMT -5
Since someone mentioned Progress, it's got me thinking about British wrestling and Steven Gauntley, the self-aggrandising money mark/conman who ran 1PW during the dark days of Britwres in the mid 2000s.
He booked the Great Muta, Akira Raijin, and Kikutaro for a show in January 2007 knowing full well that he was in deep financial shit. They ended up paying for their air tickets themselves after Gauntley failed to pay the Japanese travel agent, his master plan being to send them a cheque and hope the tickets were sent out before the cheque bounced. When his plan failed he announced that 1PW had gone into liquidation, leaving other promoters to tidy up the mess and hastily throw together a replacement show for the fans and talent who weren't going to get refunds for the cancelled one, and book the Japanese contingent at the last minute in the hope that they would save some face for British wrestling in Japan, and placate an extremely angry Muta.
Except it turned out 1PW hadn't gone into liquidation at all. The replacement show (which was apparently absolutely awful) meant that 1PW avoided refunding fans who attended, and a lot of the wrestlers who did it worked for much less than had been agreed, just for expenses, or even for nothing. Gauntley had probably orchestrated the whole thing to get out of the trouble he had created for himself by booking wrestlers he couldn't afford, and 1PW was "resurrected" by April 2007.
As of 2019 he's an internet scammer, taking money for miniature models of arcade machines that fail to materialise, and then going to great lengths not to refund the buyers.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 21, 2019 18:34:37 GMT -5
Years ago,like 2005 or so,word got out that Hacksaw Duggan would work shows for half price if it was a benefit show for people with cancer.So a promoter shaved his nephew's head ,and shaved the kids eyebrows off. Hacksaw got booked and worked the show. Months later another fed in the same state tried to book Duggan. Seems Hacksaw had found out he was scammed so now to work in that state he charges double.
Same fed pulled a bunch of other sleazy things,but no way to post about them here without breaking a bunch of board rules.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 21, 2019 18:38:40 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Curious what aweful stuff Boesch did. I haven't heard a lot about him. But what I have heard was all positive. Also curious anyone heard any dirt on The Fields brothers or Cowboy Bob Kelly. Those three ran Gulf Coast Championship Wrestling in the 60s thru 70s.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Nov 24, 2019 0:01:14 GMT -5
I wonder if Spider-Man's writers were wise to the scummy nature of promoters by having the catalyst for Uncle Ben's death being a promoter who short-changed Peter on a technicality. Probably, yeah. I don't think it was exactly a state secret. Besides, willing to bet promoters of music and other entertainment weren't much cleaner, and often worse. I think like you said it's a pretty well-known fact that promoters of basically every genre are pretty shady. Ice Cube literally made a movie called Janky Promoters that was based on an experience he had when a promoter early in his career.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:08:58 GMT -5
As far as the territories go, there are three promoters who are generally seen as being decent human beings - Paul Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owen (and Boesch just barely makes it). Pretty much every other promoter of note from that era had some serious taint to them in one regard or another. Curious what aweful stuff Boesch did. I haven't heard a lot about him. But what I have heard was all positive. Also curious anyone heard any dirt on The Fields brothers or Cowboy Bob Kelly. Those three ran Gulf Coast Championship Wrestling in the 60s thru 70s. Only dirt I really know on Boesch is the rumor that Gino was his illegitimate son. Madison would know more than I would, though.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2019 0:12:59 GMT -5
Curious what aweful stuff Boesch did. I haven't heard a lot about him. But what I have heard was all positive. Also curious anyone heard any dirt on The Fields brothers or Cowboy Bob Kelly. Those three ran Gulf Coast Championship Wrestling in the 60s thru 70s. Only dirt I really know on Boesch is the rumor that Gino was his illegitimate son. Madison would know more than I would, though. Didn't Gino's mom shoot that down and say it was a security guard or something like that? Not positive.
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