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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Nov 10, 2019 20:22:49 GMT -5
We haven’t been doing “phrasing” for like 10 years.  Should have said "twas all in good shit" lol |
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Post by Evil Homer on Nov 10, 2019 22:01:35 GMT -5
surprisingly It was pretty well done angle , I guess it helped that Billy and Chuck were a solid tag team ,and Rico has to be one the most
underrated talents ever
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Post by BRV on Nov 11, 2019 0:22:54 GMT -5
It was a great storyline until WWE wussed out. If they had simply booked them to get married and continued to be a stable successful team, it would have been groundbreaking. There's nothing WWE alternately loves and hates more than mainstream media coverage. They pine for it when they have Jon Stewart take a folding chair to John Cena or Shaquille O'Neal grappling with Big Show in a battle royal, and they'll tout all of the late night coverage and SportsCenter highlights they receive, but the moment one of their wrestling characters gets noticed, they shrivel up. Billy and Chuck is one example. WWE thought they could just get away with having a gay tag team and no one would really notice. But then people began to take notice and they panicked, because they clearly didn't think it would get as big as it did. There was clearly no defined exit plan in place and they tried walking it back but it all blew up in their faces. Another example was in the immediate aftermath of Jack Swagger's repackaging alongside Zeb Colter back in 2013. The moment that angle got the eyes of the media, WWE shied away rather than really going for it and trying to make the character into something entirely new to the wrestling universe. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 11, 2019 3:11:27 GMT -5
I loved this team. Was a bit gutted when they did the whole “It was all a publicity stunt man!” That was unneeded. And you really could’ve simply moved on from it without an explanation. I mean, they kinda had to explain SOMETHING. They couldn't just end the team and have Billy with some nebulous husband. Here is how you do it with almost everything WWE wanted in it except homophobia and without dealing with that problem later. - Ceremony proceeds as normal, they get married. - Everyone cheers. - Bischoff cuts a promo about the wedding, says the three minutes thing - 3MW come out and beat them all up while Bischoff crows that he isn't even ordained. Wedding happens; beatdown happens; they aren't stuck with kayfabe husbands. |
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Post by Squirrel Master on Nov 11, 2019 8:36:46 GMT -5
They should have been the catalyst for a tag team division
* Billy and Chuck
* The Pink Grapefruits
* The Dicks
* Da Gay Boyz
* Too Queer
* The Flames
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 11, 2019 8:37:28 GMT -5
I mean, they kinda had to explain SOMETHING. They couldn't just end the team and have Billy with some nebulous husband. Here is how you do it with almost everything WWE wanted in it except homophobia and without dealing with that problem later. - Ceremony proceeds as normal, they get married. - Everyone cheers. - Bischoff cuts a promo about the wedding, says the three minutes thing - 3MW come out and beat them all up while Bischoff crows that he isn't even ordained. Wedding happens; beatdown happens; they aren't stuck with kayfabe husbands. GLAAD was really putting this angle on a pedestal though. Actual wrestling fans like me and probably most anyone here knew it would end badly. Wrestling weddings almost never end with the two marrieds walking off happily ever after and nothing else. It got a ton of press from groups that normally wouldn’t touch WWE. The day of the wedding one of those inane but immensely popular morning shows like Good Morning America or something hyped the wedding talking about how GLAAD had even given Billy and Chuck a gravy boat as a wedding present. The only way it wasn’t going to meet with some backlash from GLAAD and other such organizations were if Billy and Chuck actually got married and WWE rolled with it until the spotlight faded. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 11, 2019 10:24:04 GMT -5
Here is how you do it with almost everything WWE wanted in it except homophobia and without dealing with that problem later. - Ceremony proceeds as normal, they get married. - Everyone cheers. - Bischoff cuts a promo about the wedding, says the three minutes thing - 3MW come out and beat them all up while Bischoff crows that he isn't even ordained. Wedding happens; beatdown happens; they aren't stuck with kayfabe husbands. GLAAD was really putting this angle on a pedestal though. Actual wrestling fans like me and probably most anyone here knew it would end badly. Wrestling weddings almost never end with the two marrieds walking off happily ever after and nothing else. It got a ton of press from groups that normally wouldn’t touch WWE. The day of the wedding one of those inane but immensely popular morning shows like Good Morning America or something hyped the wedding talking about how GLAAD had even given Billy and Chuck a gravy boat as a wedding present. The only way it wasn’t going to meet with some backlash from GLAAD and other such organizations were if Billy and Chuck actually got married and WWE rolled with it until the spotlight faded. This is why I used the ol' weasel words to explicitly highlight what WWE wanted. GLAAD... I think if they knew anything about wrestling, kind of as you say, they would have steered clear of it. |
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Post by hassanchop on Nov 11, 2019 23:59:12 GMT -5
In the Raw Reunion, I say Chuck should've been with DX/Outsiders in place of Billy, and Road Dogg should say "I forgot Billy, but his partner Chuck will be here in his place!" and have Kevin Nash reference his time as Palumbo and the rest of the NBT's coach. "Chuck, don't forget, always address to me as Lord Master!"
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Post by segaz on Nov 12, 2019 5:55:36 GMT -5
Here is how you do it with almost everything WWE wanted in it except homophobia and without dealing with that problem later. - Ceremony proceeds as normal, they get married. - Everyone cheers. - Bischoff cuts a promo about the wedding, says the three minutes thing - 3MW come out and beat them all up while Bischoff crows that he isn't even ordained. Wedding happens; beatdown happens; they aren't stuck with kayfabe husbands. GLAAD was really putting this angle on a pedestal though. Actual wrestling fans like me and probably most anyone here knew it would end badly. Wrestling weddings almost never end with the two marrieds walking off happily ever after and nothing else. It got a ton of press from groups that normally wouldn’t touch WWE. The day of the wedding one of those inane but immensely popular morning shows like Good Morning America or something hyped the wedding talking about how GLAAD had even given Billy and Chuck a gravy boat as a wedding present. The only way it wasn’t going to meet with some backlash from GLAAD and other such organizations were if Billy and Chuck actually got married and WWE rolled with it until the spotlight faded. Can you imagine them actually going through with it though? I mean....I guess the argument is it's just kayfabe acting, so it shouldn't matter....but I dunno, having to keep this fake marriage up for an extended period of time would definitely irk me. But on the other hand, it would be hilarious if they had properly booked this. After the marriage, backstage cameras keep getting footage of them not being happy with it as it's only meant to be a stunt, but the old man (no reveal yet) tells them to keep it up as it's bringing in the moolah! "Get out there and hold his hand like you mean it! The world is watching!" I don't think we've seen an angle like that, where a couple clearly dislike each other, yet have to not just stay together as a tag team, but as an actual couple in all promos and advertising etc. Can even have them get out of it at the end by showing the wedding photograph with crossed fingers ala Truman show, so it didn't count! Plus the whole bishoff reveal thing. |
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Post by Spider2024 on Nov 12, 2019 7:27:41 GMT -5
They hate each other, then love each other. Flashback to 2007 and cast Mandy Moore as one of them. And it essentially eliminates the existence of either "Because I Said So" or "Dedication" to replace it with this story. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 12, 2019 10:02:18 GMT -5
That Bischoff reveal tho
*chef's kiss*
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 12, 2019 12:51:54 GMT -5
If they did this angle today it would be Billy and Cuck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 22:07:03 GMT -5
This thread reminded me of Christopher Street Connection.  Do I remember wrong, but wasn't their match like the first match ever in ROH? They always speak about Red vs. Briscoe, but the fact is a freakin' fact. What an honor. Makes me think why I took it in on myself to be so serious about that promotion, so freakin' many years. RIP ROHboard. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 12, 2019 22:26:10 GMT -5
They should have turned that Palumbo/Jamie Noble feud into him being jealous over Noble f***ing Billy in that wild foursome they had years back.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 12, 2019 23:48:57 GMT -5
That Bischoff reveal tho *chef's kiss* It's such a shame that everything around it was so stupid, because that single moment is one of the greatest wrestling anythings of all time and one I will happily recount to non-fans (with universally positive reactions). |
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Do I remember wrong, but wasn't their match like the first match ever in ROH? They always speak about Red vs. Briscoe, but the fact is a freakin' fact. What an honor. 
