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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Nov 11, 2019 19:52:57 GMT -5
At this point you can say that in general about anything.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 11, 2019 19:59:45 GMT -5
He wrestled a 9 Year Old. Basically that.In Cornette's eye Omega disgraced the business forever Cornette saw bear wrestling and has broken kayfabe more than anybody Only he gets to do that mudshow outlaw bs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:59:41 GMT -5
He wrestled a 9 Year Old. Basically that.In Cornette's eye Omega disgraced the business forever That match had better selling and storytelling than most Lesnar matches.
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Post by Shark on Nov 11, 2019 22:59:42 GMT -5
Speaking of her, I do think Cornette has implied that he thinks Kenny and Riho are sleeping together which, to Cornette, explains the push she's getting in AEW.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 12, 2019 0:25:56 GMT -5
It wasn’t. I think that kid retired a few years after but I could be wrong. The only prominent wrestler that was ever in the ring with kid Riho was Minoru Suzuki. Funny how Cornette never mentions him. Or Kota Ibushi, for that matter.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 12, 2019 0:27:56 GMT -5
Speaking of her, I do think Cornette has implied that he thinks Kenny and Riho are sleeping together which, to Cornette, explains the push she's getting in AEW. Stuff like that makes me laugh because of the things Cornette has said about Russo's hate for women. He's no better.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 12, 2019 0:47:55 GMT -5
It wasn’t. I think that kid retired a few years after but I could be wrong. The only prominent wrestler that was ever in the ring with kid Riho was Minoru Suzuki. Funny how Cornette never mentions him. Or Kota Ibushi, for that matter. Only white people matter to cornette Honestly the way ddt does intergender is better than just about every company out there Kid wrestling whatever Kids taking bumps is off though
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 12, 2019 0:49:24 GMT -5
It wasn’t. I think that kid retired a few years after but I could be wrong. The only prominent wrestler that was ever in the ring with kid Riho was Minoru Suzuki. Funny how Cornette never mentions him. Or Kota Ibushi, for that matter. Cornette does mention Kota time to time. Not as much as Omega and Janela since he doesn't cover Japanese wrestling that much, but he hasn't forgotten Ibushi's DDT stuff.
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Post by stephaniespoiler on Nov 12, 2019 1:36:16 GMT -5
Speaking of her, I do think Cornette has implied that he thinks Kenny and Riho are sleeping together which, to Cornette, explains the push she's getting in AEW. I've lurked on this site for ages and finally decided to post to talk about this: Why do people have such a problem with his comments on Kenny/Riho? His point is that Riho is being pushed as hard as she is due to her connection with Kenny (something I agree) and he's just exaggerating that view for shock/comedic effect. Maybe not the best way of phrasing it, but I don't understand why people treat it as a horrible sexist comment. I really don't see the difference between this and half this site saying Bea Priestly is only booked due to dating Ospreay (even though AEW and Stardom wouldn't care what Ospreay thinks/says), or the old narrative that Sheamus was only pushed for being Triple H's workout buddy. Is it just that Riho's generally well-liked and people get defensive over anything they see as taking away from her accomplishments?
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 12, 2019 1:41:58 GMT -5
Speaking of her, I do think Cornette has implied that he thinks Kenny and Riho are sleeping together which, to Cornette, explains the push she's getting in AEW. I've lurked on this site for ages and finally decided to post to talk about this: Why do people have such a problem with his comments on Kenny/Riho? His point is that Riho is being pushed as hard as she is due to her connection with Kenny (something I agree) and he's just exaggerating that view for shock/comedic effect. Maybe not the best way of phrasing it, but I don't understand why people treat it as a horrible sexist comment. I really don't see the difference between this and half this site saying Bea Priestly is only booked due to dating Ospreay (even though AEW and Stardom wouldn't care what Ospreay thinks/says), or the old narrative that Sheamus was only pushed for being Triple H's workout buddy. Is it just that Riho's generally well-liked and people get defensive over anything they see as taking away from her accomplishments? The idea that the only way a female wrestler can get ahead is by having sex with someone is horribly misogynistic. It implies that her talent played no role in getting her the AEW Women's Title, and that her value lies in her sexual prowess. If you don't see the issue there, that's a problem on your side.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Nov 12, 2019 1:55:15 GMT -5
Person sleeps with someone who is in prominent position and gets pushed.
If you're talking about HHH nobody has an issue, if you're talking about Riho suddenly it's an issue. Maybe I've been dreaming these last 15+ years and this hasn't been one of the often agreed upon topics of wrestling fans. Maybe we should all be ashamed that we've besmirched Paul Levesque's reputation and accept his sexual prowess played little part in his rise to the top.
I've a bigger problem with people having an issue with it just because one's a woman and one isn't. I don't see how that's a particularly strong ground to start throwing around misogynist allegations. Especially when it's been an allegation openly and proudly levelled against a man. Treating two people the same isn't misogyny. Treating someone different because they're a woman - well, that probably qualifies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 2:14:30 GMT -5
Person sleeps with someone who is in prominent position and gets pushed. If you're talking about HHH nobody has an issue, if you're talking about Riho suddenly it's an issue. Maybe I've been dreaming these last 15+ years and this hasn't been one of the often agreed upon topics of wrestling fans. Maybe we should all be ashamed that we've besmirched Paul Levesque's reputation and accept his sexual prowess played little part in his rise to the top. I've a bigger problem with people having an issue with it just because one's a woman and one isn't. I don't see how that's a particularly strong ground to start throwing around misogynist allegations. Especially when it's been an allegation openly and proudly levelled against a man. Treating two people the same isn't misogyny. Treating someone different because they're a woman - well, that probably qualifies. I mean... I feel like you're kind of arguing against a strawman here? For one thing, typically these days people tend to shout down the idea that Triple H was only a success because of Stephanie, mostly because he blatantly wasn't given he was already a cemented main-eventer before they even started dating. Now, you can argue whether or not he got his level of power within the company because of her - that one feels like a definite yes to some level since Vince probably wasn't going to hand the keys to the kingdom off to some random wrestler without the familial connection, but he very well could have achieved some level of prominent political power regardless, we'll never really know. Either way he's certainly demonstrated that he deserves the position regardless of what factors played into him getting it. In regards to Riho, one, we don't actually know if her and Kenny have ever had any sort of relationship like that which from the get-go makes it inappropriate to go around saying that they did, but beyond that... Has she benefited from her and Kenny working with each other previously? I mean, more than likely, yeah, just in that being familiar with her and her work is probably going to make them more likely to trust her, but I also think it's absurd to act like it's the only reason when she's arguably not even the woman they're giving the biggest spotlight to despite being the first champion but she's by far the most over woman in the company and is really the only one in AEW having her matches regularly receive praise. She clearly has talent enough to warrant the position she's in. Also, like... Even if there is a supposed double standard, it doesn't justify it? Like even if people were 100% cool with saying Triple H slept his way to the top and 100% against it with Riho, despite how hypocritical that would be and it being bullshit that there's a double standard, it would still be entirely wrong to say it about both of them rather than the, "But you should be able to say it about Riho too!" that you seem to be arguing from here.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 12, 2019 2:57:18 GMT -5
I've lurked on this site for ages and finally decided to post to talk about this: Why do people have such a problem with his comments on Kenny/Riho? His point is that Riho is being pushed as hard as she is due to her connection with Kenny (something I agree) and he's just exaggerating that view for shock/comedic effect. Maybe not the best way of phrasing it, but I don't understand why people treat it as a horrible sexist comment. I really don't see the difference between this and half this site saying Bea Priestly is only booked due to dating Ospreay (even though AEW and Stardom wouldn't care what Ospreay thinks/says), or the old narrative that Sheamus was only pushed for being Triple H's workout buddy. Is it just that Riho's generally well-liked and people get defensive over anything they see as taking away from her accomplishments? The idea that the only way a female wrestler can get ahead is by having sex with someone is horribly misogynistic. It implies that her talent played no role in getting her the AEW Women's Title, and that her value lies in her sexual prowess. If you don't see the issue there, that's a problem on your side. Also, questionable as comments about Bea might be, she is in a relationship with Ospreay. People can infer questionable things from it and that's not great, but it's still a huge level past that to like, claim two people who aren't publicly in a relationship are and that the only reason someone is where they are is through fulfilling the "Asian schoolgirl fetish" of a man she isn't romantically linked to. Like that's an entirely different messed up level.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 12, 2019 9:34:20 GMT -5
Person sleeps with someone who is in prominent position and gets pushed. If you're talking about HHH nobody has an issue, if you're talking about Riho suddenly it's an issue. Maybe I've been dreaming these last 15+ years and this hasn't been one of the often agreed upon topics of wrestling fans. Maybe we should all be ashamed that we've besmirched Paul Levesque's reputation and accept his sexual prowess played little part in his rise to the top. I've a bigger problem with people having an issue with it just because one's a woman and one isn't. I don't see how that's a particularly strong ground to start throwing around misogynist allegations. Especially when it's been an allegation openly and proudly levelled against a man. Treating two people the same isn't misogyny. Treating someone different because they're a woman - well, that probably qualifies. There is a weird grooming pedo aspect with riho and kenny though if rumors are true it is kenny who in that situation is grimey
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Post by eJm on Nov 12, 2019 9:41:50 GMT -5
Person sleeps with someone who is in prominent position and gets pushed. If you're talking about HHH nobody has an issue, if you're talking about Riho suddenly it's an issue. Maybe I've been dreaming these last 15+ years and this hasn't been one of the often agreed upon topics of wrestling fans. Maybe we should all be ashamed that we've besmirched Paul Levesque's reputation and accept his sexual prowess played little part in his rise to the top. I've a bigger problem with people having an issue with it just because one's a woman and one isn't. I don't see how that's a particularly strong ground to start throwing around misogynist allegations. Especially when it's been an allegation openly and proudly levelled against a man. Treating two people the same isn't misogyny. Treating someone different because they're a woman - well, that probably qualifies. There is a weird grooming pedo aspect with riho and kenny though if rumors are true it is kenny who in that situation is grimey And I'm just going to put this out there right now; Don't spread rumours like this. For anyone. There's nothing to them and the fact that people like Cornette want to push these sorts of things is actually pretty disgusting.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 12, 2019 9:47:59 GMT -5
There is a weird grooming pedo aspect with riho and kenny though if rumors are true it is kenny who in that situation is grimey And I'm just going to put this out there right now; Don't spread rumours like this. For anyone. There's nothing to them and the fact that people like Cornette want to push these sorts of things is actually pretty disgusting. It just fits cornette to spread that narrative Kenny has known her since she was 9. To say gross stuff like that implicates kenny is a pedo. Which is on brand for cornette
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 12, 2019 10:32:14 GMT -5
I respect Jim Cornette's place in the history of the business as a promoter, manager, commentator, and historian. All of that being said: The same Jim Cornette who booked a mummy and a ninja turtle to wrestle in SMW is worried about someone making a mockery of the business? This. I remember his little fits about Omega, Chikara, and other bits of comedy wrestling, and I'm thinking, "Lighten up, Jim. It's not the worst thing to happen to wrestling."
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 12, 2019 10:51:06 GMT -5
Complaining about someone being ruined forever by wrestling a 9 year old in a comedy promotion is like hating Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad because he once played a dork on Malcom in the Middle He'll never forgive him for portraying Snizzard as a legitimate threat in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Clearly the man has no respect for the acting world. No way the same guy who voices a giant rubber monster could ever amount to anything in a REAL acting job!
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 12, 2019 13:12:25 GMT -5
At this point you can say that in general about anything. He seems to get mad at the littlest things.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 12, 2019 13:16:55 GMT -5
The idea that the only way a female wrestler can get ahead is by having sex with someone is horribly misogynistic. It implies that her talent played no role in getting her the AEW Women's Title, and that her value lies in her sexual prowess. If you don't see the issue there, that's a problem on your side. Also, questionable as comments about Bea might be, she is in a relationship with Ospreay. People can infer questionable things from it and that's not great, but it's still a huge level past that to like, claim two people who aren't publicly in a relationship are and that the only reason someone is where they are is through fulfilling the "Asian schoolgirl fetish" of a man she isn't romantically linked to. Like that's an entirely different messed up level. Doesn't Cornette denigrate a lot of joshi workers in the US as fulfilling an Asian Schoolgirl fetish? I think he said similar remarks about Kairi Sane and Io Shirai.
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