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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 11, 2019 16:08:38 GMT -5
They did just end his partnership...
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 11, 2019 16:09:38 GMT -5
You could build an entire promotion around the ones wanting out. What are you talking about, everyone is happy there, they had a meeting and no one brought up any concerns, Meltzer is a liar and the carny, not them, do you even read Twitter, everything is fine. #MechanicalProblems
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 11, 2019 16:12:10 GMT -5
The only question is how this affects the Sin Cara/Spider-man Meme Photoshop thread.
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Post by bob on Nov 11, 2019 16:16:43 GMT -5
can't blame him
they've jobbed him out and basically didn't nothing of note with him for years
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 11, 2019 16:26:18 GMT -5
I don’t get what the talents who want their release think is going to happen by talking about it on twitter because what actually is going to happen is that WWE will stick on however many months he spent out injured onto his contract and then tell him to sit his rear end at home Some guys get a big push Some guys get into title matchen then wrestle just as mediocre as they always did Some just collect that paycheck at home
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 11, 2019 16:30:30 GMT -5
If the guys publicly asking for their release did so at the same time, they'd make a headline. Shortly after leaving WWE, Cody did an interview where he mentioned that there were two other unhappy guys who were ready to ask for their release too and said they were right behind him and wanted out too. When the day came, he was standing there alone doing it; there's a pretty sad reality to how there's a punch to be made, but someone's going to chicken out and trash the whole effort. This could be a story but any hope of that's always in constant jeopardy
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 11, 2019 16:39:03 GMT -5
The only question is how this affects the Sin Cara/Spider-man Meme Photoshop thread. There'll be even more demand for content from certain quarters. "Get me pictures of Sin Cara, goddammit!"
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 11, 2019 16:53:14 GMT -5
I don't understand these guys who sign these long contracts then want out when things predictably don't go their way. After what happened with Luke Harper this makes it even more dumb on Sin Cara's for going public with this. Especially with how they added time to Harper's contract due to time missed due to injuires. With all the time Sin Cara's missed due to injury he probably won't be able to get out until like 2025.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 11, 2019 16:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 11, 2019 16:57:04 GMT -5
can't blame him they've jobbed him out and basically didn't nothing of note with him for years You can say this for like 40% of the wrestlers there.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 11, 2019 17:08:51 GMT -5
I don’t get what the talents who want their release think is going to happen by talking about it on twitter because what actually is going to happen is that WWE will stick on however many months he spent out injured onto his contract and then tell him to sit his rear end at home Public sympathy. You set the narrative, both for the future of your career in the WWE and after. Worst case scenario, you're hailed as a martyr to the unfair WWE. Best case scenario, there's an uproar and you actually get to leave. It also sends a message to prospects that this is more often what will happen to them vs what their potential would be elsewhere. The impact, if not the intent, is to dry up WWE's well for talent. The well's been drying somewhat for years with guys working the indies and elsewhere for their entire careers. Now, with WWE trying to milk those promotions of their top talent (see NXT:UK), other promotions won't be playing ball with WWE anymore, so talents now have a choice to make: work outside WWE as long as possible and become so valuable that WWE will overpay and underbook you to have you, or go through the NXT system, _maybe_ get called up to the main roster, and end up more likely a jobber than a main-event superstar who's still sacrificed to the supremacy of the brand. If you're under the age of 30-35, and the craft and your legacy are important to you, stick to the indies/Japan/Europe/anywhere else and get to that point where WWE will pay anything to have you. If you're over that age and have done all you feel you can do out there, I'd suggest taking the money from Vince for at least one contract and see what he does with you, and decide after that whether the WWE run was worth it to you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:10:42 GMT -5
I don't understand these guys who sign these long contracts then want out when things predictably don't go their way. Everybody thinks they can beat the system regardless of the profession. Whether it's wrestling, music, department store jobs, landscaping, whatever, everybody always thinks that they're the ones who will have that breakthrough when it comes to what they do.
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 17:13:02 GMT -5
I don't understand these guys who sign these long contracts then want out when things predictably don't go their way. Everybody thinks they can beat the system regardless of the profession. Whether it's wrestler, music, department store jobs, whatever, everybody always thinks that they're the ones who will have that breakthrough. Pretty much. Like, there’s historical precedence from our perspective of this not going well but with the atmosphere there can be in some jobs, you want to be the one that stands out and is different and will be the one that people look up to etc. Especially if people talk to you about it a lot ala “Grab the Brass Ring” etc.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 11, 2019 17:15:01 GMT -5
The only question is how this affects the Sin Cara/Spider-man Meme Photoshop thread. ml Moves to (w)Rest of Wrestling or the AEW section, depending on where he goes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 17:20:13 GMT -5
Everybody thinks they can beat the system regardless of the profession. Whether it's wrestler, music, department store jobs, whatever, everybody always thinks that they're the ones who will have that breakthrough. Pretty much. Like, there’s historical precedence from our perspective of this not going well but with the atmosphere there can be in some jobs, you want to be the one that stands out and is different and will be the one that people look up to etc. Especially if people talk to you about it a lot ala “Grab the Brass Ring” etc. This one's even more interesting when we look at the fact that Sin Cara reportedly signed a new contract some months ago (which he later on said he didn't but you know how that goes). It doesn't matter if it happened to Dean Ambrose or Cody Rhodes or even Luke Harper who's currently there. If (insert guy who's mega-pushed for a particular reason) can do it then everybody thinks they can do it as well. The reality of the situation is that the guys they're speaking on (Seth, Styles and Reigns), there were reasons why they're not being treated the same as these others. I'm glad they all have a positive attitude towards wanting to be that superstar but I'll be serious here: If Dean Ambrose couldn't do it then that should be it. The guy was heavily liked by the boss. The guy was best friends in a stable with the 2 most pushed guys this generation. The guy could work with everything you gave him. The guy never took off of work. The guy could go in the ring, cut promos and adapt when needed. After it happened to him that really should have been the wake up call but yeah, everybody thinks they can do it.
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 17:32:05 GMT -5
Pretty much. Like, there’s historical precedence from our perspective of this not going well but with the atmosphere there can be in some jobs, you want to be the one that stands out and is different and will be the one that people look up to etc. Especially if people talk to you about it a lot ala “Grab the Brass Ring” etc. This one's even more interesting when we look at the fact that Sin Cara reportedly signed a new contract some months ago (which he later on said he didn't but you know how that goes). It doesn't matter if it happened to Dean Ambrose or Cody Rhodes or even Luke Harper who's currently there. If (insert guy who's mega-pushed for a particular reason) can do it then everybody thinks they can do it as well. The reality of the situation is that the guys they're speaking on (Seth, Styles and Reigns), there were reasons why they're not being treated the same as these others. I'm glad they all have a positive attitude towards wanting to be that superstar but I'll be serious here: If Dean Ambrose couldn't do it then that should be it. The guy was heavily liked by the boss. The guy was best friends in a stable with the 2 most pushed guys this generation. The guy could work with everything you gave him. The guy never took off of work. The guy could go in the ring, cut promos and adapt when needed. After it happened to him that really should have been the last wake up call but yeah, everybody thinks they can do it. You’re absolutely right. And yeah, it should have been the wake up call to everyone because considering how he was pushed at one time, for him to give up? That’d be like if Bret Hart took that WCW offer in 1995-96 and didn’t stay loyal. If that happened, the roster would have looked around and gone “If he’s going, what does that mean for the rest of us?” But...it’s a cliche to talk about Vince’s Jedi Mind Tricks but there was a reason at one time so many people stuck around. Or even the reason so many people have fought and gotten better regardless of what the reality is. “I owe ya one, pal” holds a lot of clout regardless of if it should or not.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 11, 2019 17:33:34 GMT -5
So wait, can they release Sin Cara? I mean much like they did with Hunico, can they just stick another person under the hood?
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 17:34:45 GMT -5
The only question is how this affects the Sin Cara/Spider-man Meme Photoshop thread. ml Moves to (w)Rest of Wrestling or the AEW section, depending on where he goes? I only speak for myself rather than the rest of mods but considering Sin Cara’s a WWE IP, I’m pretty sure it’d stick around here.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 11, 2019 17:39:41 GMT -5
Time for a certain thread to get revived.
Yes, The Simpsons TNA thread!
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Post by Shark on Nov 11, 2019 17:42:37 GMT -5
I've seen a lot of people in this thread say he's an amazing wrestler and this and that. Has this always been the actual sentiment or is he just suddenly a great wrestler because he's on the outs with WWE? Because all I've ever seen from him is "fine". Nothing that has ever blown my mind. It just seems like if a wrestler is on the outs with WWE, they just suddenly become these amazingly talented workers when days before people didn't care about them. It's like the Street Profits or Viking Raiders. Months ago, they were great, amazing and talented guys and now they suddenly suck out of nowhere.
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