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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 12, 2019 17:45:31 GMT -5
Knowing The Elite was leaving, having the rest of Bullet Club turn on them, and then not having them feud so they could put over the Tongans and Jay White as the "real" Bullet Club on The Elite's way out. Instead, the Elite guys just went on the Jericho Cruise and casually said "nah, we aren't in Bullet Club anymore. That Jay White's thing now." It made the Bullet Club look like losers that the popular guys just said "eh, you can have it" and Bullet Club hasn't recovered since. Don't get me wrong, I dig El Phamtasmo and Ishimori, but Bullet Club hardly seems like a threat now. KENTA joining did help a lot to reinvigorate things, but BC really do seem like they could use some new blood, probably someone with a Jay tie. I guess Hikuleo will be good as an addition whenever he comes back, on account of being huge, but that's also just adding to the Tongan portion of the Club and not something that'd bolster Jay so much. The number one problem is this: Jay White's persona fits so much more with the original vision of CHAOS to the letter. It's why the storyline of him trying to usurp Okada was so good. It brought it back to basics after years of just being "The Rainmaker and his merry men." If it were me booking, I'd have had white take a few guys of his own and start his own faction that bragged about being "The Real Chaos." He could have had ELP, Eagles, Ospreay, The Briscoes, and GBH for kicks and giggles. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2019 18:38:37 GMT -5
2018 G1
Holy f*** that pissed me off. You have real hot momentum with the BC Civil War and you proceed to book that shit into the ground. Keep trying to make Tama Tonga a thing is LOL worthy in itself but then you have the BC interfere in all his and Fale matches only for this dude to give up his BC seat to a f***ing outsider in Jay White and that whole angle ending like trash
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 12, 2019 20:27:01 GMT -5
2018 G1 Holy f*** that pissed me off. You have real hot momentum with the BC Civil War and you proceed to book that shit into the ground. Keep trying to make Tama Tonga a thing is LOL worthy in itself but then you have the BC interfere in all his and Fale matches only for this dude to give up his BC seat to a f***ing outsider in Jay White and that whole angle ending like trash And it makes less sense when you remember that the BC civil war started because of actions by Jay White after Omega first invited him into the group. So Jay White causes the civil war, then is just given the leadership position. Works for him but, it makes no sense in the case of everyone else in the storyline. He ended up being the only winner. Everyone else looked like complete idiots. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 12, 2019 20:36:41 GMT -5
"Hmm, better eject all of the people in the group who have title belts. This is in no ways stupid."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2019 20:45:29 GMT -5
Thing is, though, anyone with ties to Jay at this point is also going to have ties to Fale. So it's always going to look like "Oh yeah, the Tongans" even if the recruit isn't Tongan themself. I guess maybe someone who acts as his protoge, then, though Jay's young enough that it's kind of a hard sell, maybe. Don't even really need a protege. Just a lackey who believes in the hype Gedo/White is selling them because White career has skyrocketed from jump and Gedo is the money man who can sell big dreams. It's why I keep saying White needed his own group with his own ambitions because BC is just a ragtag that has no real ties or loyalty to Jay White |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2019 20:47:31 GMT -5
2018 G1 Holy f*** that pissed me off. You have real hot momentum with the BC Civil War and you proceed to book that shit into the ground. Keep trying to make Tama Tonga a thing is LOL worthy in itself but then you have the BC interfere in all his and Fale matches only for this dude to give up his BC seat to a f***ing outsider in Jay White and that whole angle ending like trash And it makes less sense when you remember that the BC civil war started because of actions by Jay White after Omega first invited him into the group. So Jay White causes the civil war, then is just given the leadership position. Works for him but, it makes no sense in the case of everyone else in the storyline. He ended up being the only winner. Everyone else looked like complete idiots. The more interesting route would have been what they should have kept was Jay White taking CHAOS from Okada (not like he uses it anyway), and then you had the decision of wrestlers deciding to either be loyal to Okada or stay with the group therefore turning them heel I still wanted my Goto/Ishii team with them beating the shit out of people with a new edge |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 12, 2019 20:55:09 GMT -5
And it makes less sense when you remember that the BC civil war started because of actions by Jay White after Omega first invited him into the group. So Jay White causes the civil war, then is just given the leadership position. Works for him but, it makes no sense in the case of everyone else in the storyline. He ended up being the only winner. Everyone else looked like complete idiots. The more interesting route would have been what they should have kept was Jay White taking CHAOS from Okada (not like he uses it anyway), and then you had the decision of wrestlers deciding to either be loyal to Okada or stay with the group therefore turning them heel I still wanted my Goto/Ishii team with them beating the shit out of people with a new edge I guess you then have the problem of that most of the CHAOS guys who matter wouldn't go with Jay, and given Gedo basically had to, that just leaves... YOSHI-HASHI as the grand betrayal left to do, and who wants to see that? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2019 21:05:22 GMT -5
The more interesting route would have been what they should have kept was Jay White taking CHAOS from Okada (not like he uses it anyway), and then you had the decision of wrestlers deciding to either be loyal to Okada or stay with the group therefore turning them heel I still wanted my Goto/Ishii team with them beating the shit out of people with a new edge I guess you then have the problem of that most of the CHAOS guys who matter wouldn't go with Jay, and given Gedo basically had to, that just leaves... YOSHI-HASHI as the grand betrayal left to do, and who wants to see that? Well in terms of CHOAS members I would have split it White group: Gedo Jado Goto Ishii Baretta (before he left for AEW) Yoshi Hashi (U need a stooge) Okada new group: Sho Yoh Romero Yano Opsreay Nicholls and Eagles can still join him like they did this year |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 12, 2019 21:17:08 GMT -5
I guess you then have the problem of that most of the CHAOS guys who matter wouldn't go with Jay, and given Gedo basically had to, that just leaves... YOSHI-HASHI as the grand betrayal left to do, and who wants to see that? Well in terms of CHOAS members I would have split it White group: Gedo Jado Goto Ishii Baretta (before he left for AEW) Yoshi Hashi (U need a stooge) Okada new group: Sho Yoh Romero Yano Opsreay Nicholls and Eagles can still join him like they did this year I dunno, heel Ishii? Not sure if sold on that. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2019 21:19:27 GMT -5
Well in terms of CHOAS members I would have split it White group: Gedo Jado Goto Ishii Baretta (before he left for AEW) Yoshi Hashi (U need a stooge) Okada new group: Sho Yoh Romero Yano Opsreay Nicholls and Eagles can still join him like they did this year I dunno, heel Ishii? Not sure if sold on that. Not really heel per se, more like Yano in Okada group where dudes don't give a f*** they just going to do what they want |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:00:08 GMT -5
This is more bitterness on my part, but...having major console games during the dark days of the 2000's, but not one during their most profitable period of today. Where's my Wrestle Kingdom 3, dammit?  I'll be disappointed if the Fire Pro expansion pack is all we'll ever get. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Nov 13, 2019 0:04:30 GMT -5
Booking Yoshi Tatsu as a top of the card talent while doing a HHH parody gimmick because he f***ed up taking the Styles Clash has to be up there with Gedo's worst ideas
That and continuing to book Billy Gunn as a singles talent when he didn't have the cardio to be a singles star in Attitude Era WWE when the average match was 4 minutes long
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2019 1:28:02 GMT -5
This is more bitterness on my part, but...having major console games during the dark days of the 2000's, but not one during their most profitable period of today. Where's my Wrestle Kingdom 3, dammit? I'll be quite disappointed if the Fire Pro expansion pack is all we'll ever get. I am not sure what Yukes' plan is, but I guess there's a higher chance of another Wrestle Kingdom game than there was pre-split with 2k. |
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Nov 13, 2019 1:56:04 GMT -5
Well, since the "specific examples" bit is included, we must talk about the career of a very important man.
Bob Sapp had a New Japan run while he was still in the prime of his MMA career and hadn't become a walking meme yet
Bob Sapp was not very good at wrestling
Bob Sapp has wins over dudes like Great Muta and Kensuke Sasaki
Bob Sapp is a former IWGP champ
Bob Sapp never actually lost the IWGP title -- he had to vacate it because he had a fight in K1 against Kazuyuki Fujita and Fujita beat the shit out of him for 2 minutes straight
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 13, 2019 1:59:24 GMT -5
Well, since the "specific examples" bit is included, we must talk about the career of a very important man. Bob Sapp had a New Japan run while he was still in the prime of his MMA career and hadn't become a walking meme yet Bob Sapp was not very good at wrestling Bob Sapp has wins over dudes like Great Muta and Kensuke Sasaki Bob Sapp is a former IWGP champ Bob Sapp never actually lost the IWGP title -- he had to vacate it because he had a fight in K1 against Kazuyuki Fujita and Fujita beat the shit out of him for 2 minutes straight Indeed we must talk about Bob Sapp.  |
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Nov 13, 2019 2:01:19 GMT -5
Well, since the "specific examples" bit is included, we must talk about the career of a very important man. Bob Sapp had a New Japan run while he was still in the prime of his MMA career and hadn't become a walking meme yet Bob Sapp was not very good at wrestling Bob Sapp has wins over dudes like Great Muta and Kensuke Sasaki Bob Sapp is a former IWGP champ Bob Sapp never actually lost the IWGP title -- he had to vacate it because he had a fight in K1 against Kazuyuki Fujita and Fujita beat the shit out of him for 2 minutes straight Indeed we must talk about Bob Sapp. It sounds like it's |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2019 2:34:00 GMT -5
Well, since the "specific examples" bit is included, we must talk about the career of a very important man. Bob Sapp had a New Japan run while he was still in the prime of his MMA career and hadn't become a walking meme yet Bob Sapp was not very good at wrestling Bob Sapp has wins over dudes like Great Muta and Kensuke Sasaki Bob Sapp is a former IWGP champ Bob Sapp never actually lost the IWGP title -- he had to vacate it because he had a fight in K1 against Kazuyuki Fujita and Fujita beat the shit out of him for 2 minutes straight I always forget he was IWGP champion. Like, honestly, Brock was a better champion, even if the end result was probably more expensive and certainly didn't end too well. Well, with Brock himself. Nakamura getting to unify the titles was at least a good ending to the saga. |
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Nov 13, 2019 2:43:08 GMT -5
God I didn't even know until right this second that Bob Sapp also had 2 return matches in late 2012 and early 2013. Also of course they were in tag matches with like a billion other dudes because New Japan loves elder abuse.
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 13, 2019 4:56:29 GMT -5
Booking Yoshi Hashi as a top of the card talent while doing a HHH parody gimmick because he f***ed up taking the Styles Clash has to be up there with Gedo's worst ideas YOSHITATSU, not YOSHI-HASHI. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Nov 13, 2019 7:57:47 GMT -5
Booking Yoshi Hashi as a top of the card talent while doing a HHH parody gimmick because he f***ed up taking the Styles Clash has to be up there with Gedo's worst ideas YOSHITATSU, not YOSHI-HASHI. Damn it, mixed my terrible Yoshi's up. Thank you. |
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I'll be disappointed if the Fire Pro expansion pack is all we'll ever get.
