Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 24, 2019 16:18:50 GMT -5
I said before it started I was going to give Dynamite 4 weeks to catch and keep my attention. By the second week Dynamite felt like a chore to watch. In a two hour show there was at most 30 minutes I enjoyed.
1.Their women's division is horrible. And they keep pushing women that are way way to green. 2.Their tag matches almost always feel the same. Lots of spots very little selling. 3.Guys like Kenny Omega and Joey Janella I enjoyed in other feds,but in AEW they do nothing for me.
After 4 weeks of Dynamite and me not caring for it I stopped watching. I try to watch AEW Dark each week. But I do fall behind.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 24, 2019 16:47:33 GMT -5
I think its good. Do I think its the best thing ever right now, I dont. I think theres a few flaws but AEW knows how to listen to its fans and change it up
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Post by The Trashman on Nov 24, 2019 19:13:42 GMT -5
It's fine but all of their stars had better matches and a better presentation in NJPW.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 24, 2019 19:55:45 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it but also not seeing nearly the same level of mad hype that some are, because of a few reasons:
-The women's division is lackluster -A lot of guys lack presence. Im not a body/hoss guy by any means, but an awful lot of the roster don't look especially athletic or tough or imposing. When Billy Gunn gets the Andre booking in a battle royale it speaks volumes to guys' lack of size. I know that "he could be me!" is the in-vogue trend for wrestlers, but I've always preferred them a bit larger than life- guys I'd like to be, rather than guys like me. I see guys like Jimmy Havoc every single day in London, and there's others too who are small as hell or just feel like blokes rather than stars. - I can't remember so many prolific ref botches in a major promotion so regularly, it feels like nearly every week there's one. WWE would be hung out to dry for it, they really need to tighten up it makes things look beyond amateurish because I dont even recall seeing this that much on the indies. A "2 count!" when it's clearly 3 and someone missed their cue to break it up or the ref just stops for no reason is one of the best ways to break the suspension of disbelief. - Similar to the above- WWE would be hung out to dry for the way AEW have handled Kenny Omega. In the first half of 2018 he was the hottest star in wrestling, he cooled off a lot from a lackluster IWGP title reign but he was still a massive, massive star when he left New Japan after WK this year. In AEW, he is a guy. A guy who wrestles a lot of his matches on their dark show. He loses most of the time, and he doesn't feel like a star, and he doesn't even get much promo or segment time. He's almost an afterthought in honesty, and as a huge Omega fan it's disappointing as hell. I get that they don't wanna be accused of vanity booking, but the Elite are in this position because of their star power- Omega and to a lesser extent the Bucks should not be so secondary. -AEW's obsession with youth might come back to bite them. A lot of these guys are early to mid 20s- they could be around for 10-15 years. In TV years, that will eventuall grow horrendously stale, look at WWE's lost generation who stuck around forever. They can't push the youth too soon or they will be tiresome before they're even in their prime, and given the majority of their roster is young in TV years and young to casual/lapsed fans they don't even need to- guys like Omega, Lucha Bros and the Bucks are guys you build the company around right now, you don't need to be prepping them to move on in the next couple years. -Except the main events, Full Gear's matches didn't feel especially more special than the early TV matches, especially when they do Pac/Page 3 the next tv show.
These criticsms dont mean I dont enjoy it- I do, Im watching weekly, Im backing them. But they are not without a good chunk of flaws that they'll need to crack to be a serious competition/alternative.
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Post by thegame415 on Nov 24, 2019 21:49:12 GMT -5
I'd say I'm really satisfied, just because anything seems better than WWE.
However, I really want to see:
A. Stars on the show every week. Some guys kind of seem to not be there on a weekly basis, and it should be.
B. More character development/storylines. Wrestling at it's best has these elements, and it can seem hard to find at times in AEW.
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Convoy
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Post by Convoy on Nov 24, 2019 21:55:51 GMT -5
It's fine. I'm more appreciative of its place in the industry than a fan of the product itself.
I greatly prefer NXT (which I watch the night-of), and this is coming from someone that previously watched no WWE product/watches New Japan religiously. So I was more familiar with the core Elite and what they bring to the table. Also not the biggest fan of the Elite because of what I saw in New Japan, to be honest.
Every week the episodes are recorded on my DVR, but at this point I tend to watch them while I do other things. They didn't keep my attention enough when I sat down to watch them, so now they are background music to life. My attention is turned to Jericho promos and Luchasaurus/PAC/Mox matches. Full Gear was a 5-minute walk from my home, and I decided not to go out of disinterest.
To be fair, I do want them to succeed, and even completed a survey for them after episode one with a more-detailed version of my thoughts at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 22:25:23 GMT -5
I've stopped watching it.
Every match has to be the BEST MATCH EVVVVEEER and it's exhausting. Too many nearfalls. Too much crazyness.
Also, too much wild hotshotting of stuff that doesn't mean anything. Stuff like Jericho breaking Dustin's arm should have been enough to carry a whole rivalry, but it didn't mean a damn thing in Cody and Jericho's feud.
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Jake, The Jake, Jake
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Nov 24, 2019 22:59:24 GMT -5
It’s very up and down for me. Really enjoying Cody, Jericho, MJF, Darby, Guevara, and somewhat Moxley and PAC. Though I wish we would let PAC talk more.
But I have very little interest in Omega, Page, Excalibur, Cassidy, or most of the tag division and women’s division. I think any wrestler who’s gimmick is “they are good at wrestling” is lame as hell in any company. I’d much rather see a hot wrestling angle or a fired up promo than a twenty-minute wrestling match any day. I don’t care for death match shit. I don’t see anything in Janela, Stunt, or the British staple gun guy whose name escapes me. I thought the Rick and Morty and Undertale shit was really stupid, but I’m also 30 and I get that some things aren’t for me. I’m still trying my best and it’s miles better than anything in WWE right now, but it’s not can’t-miss television.
Basically I love all the parts that are early 90’s WCW and hate all the parts that are late 00’s ROH.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 25, 2019 19:32:55 GMT -5
Seth rollins maybe?
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Shark
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Post by Shark on Nov 26, 2019 13:23:53 GMT -5
I think my big issue with AEW is one that's existed from the start. They preach themselves as being the great revolution in pro wrestling, but all I'm seeing is the same stuff I see in any wrestling company. I don't think it's bad by any means, it's just not the industry changing product they hype themselves as being.
I also feel like they've squandered some wrestlers' momentum. Hangman Page had a rough summer, but the Jericho match and his booking on Dynamite really rehabilitated him and he was impressing us with some great matches. Then at Full Gear, he defeats Pac and it feels like something is going to get rolling for him. Then the next Dynamite, loses to Pac in a rematch that did not need to happen on that show and now this week, he's likely going to lose to MJF because MJF needs that win. So all that momentum Page seemed to have is now gone. Omega was their first major signing and he's pretty much lost every big match he's had. I'm expecting him to lose to Pac this week too. It feels like heels dominate the show. Who is the face that is going to challenge Jericho? Moxley is being kept away from the title picture, Sky will be a stop gap for this week. Cody's already lost to him, Page has no momentum anymore. Pac is a heel too.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 26, 2019 13:46:54 GMT -5
Kenny Omega is an executive vice president in the company, and he's equal to the Bucks and Cody in rank in that regard. So I doubt Omega isn't in the driver's seat for what he wants to do in AEW. Maybe backstage responsibilities are dividing too much of his time. Or maybe he's self-conscious about not turning into a Jeff Jarrett or Triple H and booking himself so strongly out the gate. Or maybe he's got a long-term booking plan for himself going, especially since Gedo was all about that in New Japan.
But if you're disappointed in how Omega's being booked, the person most likely to blame is Omega himself.
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Post by B-RadimusPrime on Nov 27, 2019 13:54:25 GMT -5
I’m enjoying Dark more Dynamite. But I like AEW. There are things I don’t really care about in wrestling like death matches, Jon Moxley, and spotfests...but I enjoy having a different wrestling show to watch.
I’m glad they seem to be signing more women after realizing the division just wouldn’t work with what they had.
I still prefer NXT to almost everything else, personally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 23:58:39 GMT -5
It’s hit or miss for me. I like some aspects of it, dislike others. I absolutely cannot stand the video game style that practically every match has. Maybe it’s just my personal taste but high spots/near fall/no sell/repeat is exhausting when it’s done for what seems like 90% of the show. That style needs to change or at least be toned down.
I like the characters though. I was hoping AEW would be more character and segment driven rather than actual wrestling, but still has time to change. Like the Jericho opening segment tonight was better than any match they could have opened the show with, IMO. This is where AEW can shine if they focus more on it.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 28, 2019 0:14:02 GMT -5
To be fair, you'd probably be grumpy too if you had to keep skipping dinner.
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Post by BlahBlah on Dec 2, 2019 16:38:59 GMT -5
I'm barely enjoying it save for the occasional match here and there. I'm seriously disappointed in the lack of storytelling. There's too much great in-ring work from various promotions to rely strictly on that. If I were a casual fan, I'd have no idea who 75% of the roster was and what they were fighting for. Nor would I know who to cheer for. They've got to start telling compelling stories to keep me engaged. I'm almost all but done with it especially considering NXT has become my favorite weekly show to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 16:57:21 GMT -5
I'm barely enjoying it save for the occasional match here and there. I'm seriously disappointed in the lack of storytelling. There's too much great in-ring work from various promotions to rely strictly on that. If I were a casual fan, I'd have no idea who 75% of the roster was and what they were fighting for. Nor would I know who to cheer for. They've got to start telling compelling stories to keep me engaged. I'm almost all but done with it especially considering NXT has become my favorite weekly show to watch. Yup agreed. Nice name btw.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 2, 2019 19:36:36 GMT -5
Their audio is pretty terrible. Last week I couldn't watch their show due to the ring sounding like crap. This and the women's division is AEW's glaring weakness
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2019 1:53:29 GMT -5
Their audio is pretty terrible. Last week I couldn't watch their show due to the ring sounding like crap. This and the women's division is AEW's glaring weakness If they need to fix one thing, as I think in terms of characters, the women, and getting storylines sorted out they seem to be heating in the upwards direction, they need to fix their damn audio, it's the most glaring fault to me of the whole product right now. They're still young but there's no reason to have the bad audio they were having last week at this stage.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2019 1:56:04 GMT -5
I'm barely enjoying it save for the occasional match here and there. I'm seriously disappointed in the lack of storytelling. There's too much great in-ring work from various promotions to rely strictly on that. If I were a casual fan, I'd have no idea who 75% of the roster was and what they were fighting for. Nor would I know who to cheer for. They've got to start telling compelling stories to keep me engaged. I'm almost all but done with it especially considering NXT has become my favorite weekly show to watch.You know whatever your opinion is on AEW, that's cool, but why do we gotta choose sides? NXT and AEW can both be watched on replays after the fact over the one you choose to watch live. AEW's got some stuff they need to sort out and in some cases I believe they are, but I don't think fans need to choose. I'd gladly just watch both, leaning on which I like more to watch live and the other to watch afterwards.
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Post by petef3 on Dec 3, 2019 12:10:16 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it, but outside of some good week-to-week angles all the good long-term booking seems to be centered around Cody. Omega and the Bucks have been booked like they're being booked for audiences who already know who they are and who regard Omega as the "best wrestler in the world" because he puts on supposed 6* matches. And I think that's really starting to bite them--all the win-trading and stop-start booking with Omega and the Bucks have left them not looking like stars. You don't build stars with "great matches," you build them by making them look unstoppable and putting them in compelling storylines. Sorry, but Omega-Moxley was not a compelling storyline--Moxley jumps Omega because reasons, they put each other through a few pieces of furniture because more reasons, and they have an "unsanctioned match" despite them having no real reason to hate each other that goes 40 minutes which means that the "unsanctioned" environment couldn't really have been that dangerous and because they were more concerned with having a "great" (i.e., "long") match than paying off any kind of story. I know Moxley's elbow injury and the nature of the promotion pre-television hindered that, but they needed to find something besides Moxley dropping Omega after a match to build the feud around.
They're doing good work in *some* instances of explaining who guys are, but there's still too much booking for the incredibly limited audience of people who watch for 2.9 wrestling and not enough to try to hook in potential new fans.
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