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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 2, 2019 9:09:38 GMT -5
A strong and active AEW<->New Japan relationship isn't super high on my wishlist right now, but what is high is the ROH connect dying on the vine before things somehow get even dumber. I don't think it'd be a constant kind of thing, and I'd rather it didn't, but especially once NJPW in the US is a thing, I definitely can see benefits for both parties in exhibitions and stuff like, "here, have So-And-So for 6 weeks, and I get Johnny Kickpads for the summer." Gargano’s coming back in summer and leaving NXT?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 2, 2019 13:56:43 GMT -5
Kenny has gone on record now that it wasn’t NJPW directly who tried to f*** him over, and he’s convinced the top dogs at NJPW had no idea what was going on with him having issues getting in the country
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2019 14:27:40 GMT -5
I do think it's interesting how Meij makes the point that they want to work with promotions that reflect NJPW's presentation style to some level. It's why ROH made a lot of sense for them for a good while, given how it was often thought of as "the workrate promotion", which sounds silly but makes sense insofar as ROH historically often used the puro style of getting characters over via in-ring actions and interactions rather than lengthy promos and skits. Guess the question now is if they still feel ROH fits that bill; obviously ROH isn't the 2nd/3rd biggest promotion in the US anymore, and its troubles this year are well-documented, but it's possible that NJPW still sees them as a decent partner given where they project the NJPW-US branch to be in the next few years? Hard to say. It genuinely did feel like there were some sore feelings over how aspects of the MSG show were handled on ROH's end, and the lack of Young Lion excursions and talent swaps there this year speak pretty loudly, but Meij and company likely see it as a benefit to tell prospective NJPW-US signees "don't worry, you can make money working with us AND ROH when you're in-between tours." Meanwhile in that same vein they likely don't want to dive right in with AEW before it's firmly established as viable for the longer term and before they get a real feel for how their style meshes or doesn't mesh with NJPW's. Booking-wise I think there's a decent amount of Gedo influence in a chunk of what AEW's doing, but I guess a lot will also come down to the in-ring approach; thus far AEW is a bit more on the flashy side than New Japan is, but that also likely stems more from who the available talent is right now, and could well shift as AEW's roster expands or rotates. Kenny has gone on record now that it wasn’t NJPW directly who tried to f*** him over, and he’s convinced the top dogs at NJPW had no idea what was going on with him having issues getting in the country Saw that, think he spoke off-air with Meltzer about it and gave permission for Dave to report. Kenny also left the door open to working in NJPW again, so hopefully most of the "is there HEAT between the Elite and NJPW?!" drama can start dying down for good, if we're all lucky. Whatever formal partnerships there are or aren't, everyone should be able to agree that maybe some annual "dream match" booking would be incredibly nice to see.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 2, 2019 14:35:48 GMT -5
I do think it's interesting how Meij makes the point that they want to work with promotions that reflect NJPW's presentation style to some level. It's why ROH made a lot of sense for them for a good while, given how it was often thought of as "the workrate promotion", which sounds silly but makes sense insofar as ROH historically often used the puro style of getting characters over via in-ring actions and interactions rather than lengthy promos and skits. Guess the question now is if they still feel ROH fits that bill; obviously ROH isn't the 2nd/3rd biggest promotion in the US anymore, and its troubles this year are well-documented, but it's possible that NJPW still sees them as a decent partner given where they project the NJPW-US branch to be in the next few years? Hard to say. It genuinely did feel like there were some sore feelings over how aspects of the MSG show were handled on ROH's end, and the lack of Young Lion excursions and talent swaps there this year speak pretty loudly, but Meij and company likely see it as a benefit to tell prospective NJPW-US signees "don't worry, you can make money working with us AND ROH when you're in-between tours." Meanwhile in that same vein they likely don't want to dive right in with AEW before it's firmly established as viable for the longer term and before they get a real feel for how their style meshes or doesn't mesh with NJPW's. Booking-wise I think there's a decent amount of Gedo influence in a chunk of what AEW's doing, but I guess a lot will also come down to the in-ring approach; thus far AEW is a bit more on the flashy side than New Japan is, but that also likely stems more from who the available talent is right now, and could well shift as AEW's roster expands or rotates. Kenny has gone on record now that it wasn’t NJPW directly who tried to f*** him over, and he’s convinced the top dogs at NJPW had no idea what was going on with him having issues getting in the country Saw that, think he spoke off-air with Meltzer about it and gave permission for Dave to report. Kenny also left the door open to working in NJPW again, so hopefully most of the "is there HEAT between the Elite and NJPW?!" drama can start dying down for good, if we're all lucky. Whatever formal partnerships there are or aren't, everyone should be able to agree that maybe some annual "dream match" booking would be incredibly nice to see. Kenny openly discussed it on the interview he did with Meltzer and Jim Valley, but he left out details. He definitely told Meltzer the specifics off air, but what he was allowed to report was pretty much what Kenny said on air
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2019 15:16:52 GMT -5
I do think it's interesting how Meij makes the point that they want to work with promotions that reflect NJPW's presentation style to some level. It's why ROH made a lot of sense for them for a good while, given how it was often thought of as "the workrate promotion", which sounds silly but makes sense insofar as ROH historically often used the puro style of getting characters over via in-ring actions and interactions rather than lengthy promos and skits. Guess the question now is if they still feel ROH fits that bill; obviously ROH isn't the 2nd/3rd biggest promotion in the US anymore, and its troubles this year are well-documented, but it's possible that NJPW still sees them as a decent partner given where they project the NJPW-US branch to be in the next few years? Hard to say. It genuinely did feel like there were some sore feelings over how aspects of the MSG show were handled on ROH's end, and the lack of Young Lion excursions and talent swaps there this year speak pretty loudly, but Meij and company likely see it as a benefit to tell prospective NJPW-US signees "don't worry, you can make money working with us AND ROH when you're in-between tours." Meanwhile in that same vein they likely don't want to dive right in with AEW before it's firmly established as viable for the longer term and before they get a real feel for how their style meshes or doesn't mesh with NJPW's. Booking-wise I think there's a decent amount of Gedo influence in a chunk of what AEW's doing, but I guess a lot will also come down to the in-ring approach; thus far AEW is a bit more on the flashy side than New Japan is, but that also likely stems more from who the available talent is right now, and could well shift as AEW's roster expands or rotates. Saw that, think he spoke off-air with Meltzer about it and gave permission for Dave to report. Kenny also left the door open to working in NJPW again, so hopefully most of the "is there HEAT between the Elite and NJPW?!" drama can start dying down for good, if we're all lucky. Whatever formal partnerships there are or aren't, everyone should be able to agree that maybe some annual "dream match" booking would be incredibly nice to see. Kenny openly discussed it on the interview he did with Meltzer and Jim Valley, but he left out details. He definitely told Meltzer the specifics off air, but what he was allowed to report was pretty much what Kenny said on air Ah, that's what it was, makes sense.
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