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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 3, 2019 19:24:53 GMT -5
Judging him only by reading Jericho’s first book and hearing Raven’s shoots, Barr was a friendly guy and a bullshitter.
Any tribute won’t wash away what he did to the girl though.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 3, 2019 20:14:34 GMT -5
Judging him only by reading Jericho’s first book and hearing Raven’s shoots, Barr was a friendly guy and a bullshitter. Any tribute won’t wash away what he did to the girl though. I don't know why Jericho never mentioned it in his book? Maybe he didn't know?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 3, 2019 20:34:30 GMT -5
Judging him only by reading Jericho’s first book and hearing Raven’s shoots, Barr was a friendly guy and a bullshitter. Any tribute won’t wash away what he did to the girl though. I don't know why Jericho never mentioned it in his book? Maybe he didn't know? I don’t think Jericho knew about the rape, he met Barr in Mexico during the early nineties and in a time without internet or information, Jericho had no way of knowing about Barr’s past.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 3, 2019 20:39:01 GMT -5
Judging him only by reading Jericho’s first book and hearing Raven’s shoots, Barr was a friendly guy and a bullshitter. Any tribute won’t wash away what he did to the girl though. I don't know why Jericho never mentioned it in his book? Maybe he didn't know? I could be wrong but from what I remember Jericho mentioned that Art got involved with an underage girl, so he only knew part if the story. As for why he got to Mexico... different times back then and he took a plea deal to avoid jail time. But yeah aside from legal issues people were just not exposed to Barr outside of the Pacific Northwest or if you followed the Mexican scene. I know he was well liked by those who knew him in Mexico, but from the little I've heard very few liked him when he wasnt working there or in Portland. Being a promoter's kid and being so young gave Art an attitude
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 3, 2019 23:04:07 GMT -5
He raped a girl, that’s about the long and short of why people mostly don’t openly reminisce about him. Good wrestler, and the hair vs mask match against Octagon and El Hijo del Sonto is one of my absolute favourites, but he raped a girl. Hard to look past that.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 4, 2019 3:43:31 GMT -5
I don't know why Jericho never mentioned it in his book? Maybe he didn't know? I could be wrong but from what I remember Jericho mentioned that Art got involved with an underage girl, so he only knew part if the story. As for why he got to Mexico... different times back then and he took a plea deal to avoid jail time. But yeah aside from legal issues people were just not exposed to Barr outside of the Pacific Northwest or if you followed the Mexican scene. I know he was well liked by those who knew him in Mexico, but from the little I've heard very few liked him when he wasnt working there or in Portland. Being a promoter's kid and being so young gave Art an attitude You could take a plea deal to avoid serving time for a rape charge back then??
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Post by realist on Dec 4, 2019 4:15:26 GMT -5
I could be wrong but from what I remember Jericho mentioned that Art got involved with an underage girl, so he only knew part if the story. As for why he got to Mexico... different times back then and he took a plea deal to avoid jail time. But yeah aside from legal issues people were just not exposed to Barr outside of the Pacific Northwest or if you followed the Mexican scene. I know he was well liked by those who knew him in Mexico, but from the little I've heard very few liked him when he wasnt working there or in Portland. Being a promoter's kid and being so young gave Art an attitude You could take a plea deal to avoid serving time for a rape charge back then?? Dude, you can get off scott-free if the moron judge thinks you come from a good enough family. Our justice system sucks.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 4, 2019 4:41:11 GMT -5
You could take a plea deal to avoid serving time for a rape charge back then?? Dude, you can get off scott-free if the moron judge thinks you come from a good enough family. Our justice system sucks. But, like, rape is a horrific thing, I get not going to jail for burglary or car theft, but rape isn't something that you should be able to avoid serving time for.
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Post by realist on Dec 4, 2019 4:49:55 GMT -5
Dude, you can get off scott-free if the moron judge thinks you come from a good enough family. Our justice system sucks. But, like, rape is a horrific thing, I get not going to jail for burglary or car theft, but rape isn't something that you should be able to avoid serving time for. I agree 100000%. Unfortunately, a quick Google search will show you that that is not always the case.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 4, 2019 5:02:41 GMT -5
Dude, you can get off scott-free if the moron judge thinks you come from a good enough family. Our justice system sucks. But, like, rape is a horrific thing, I get not going to jail for burglary or car theft, but rape isn't something that you should be able to avoid serving time for. Ideally, that'd be the case, but in addition to being difficult to prove to the satisfaction of juries or judges sometimes, a stream of harassment from the public in many cases, police who are not trained properly to handle these things and unfortunately quite often traumatize rape victims further, even if all of those hurdles are overcome, the penalty for rape is shockingly light in much of the world, the US included. That's part of why the sex offender registry is a thing, they will not be locked up very long in my many cases. All that being said, in the days before the internet was as accessible as it is now, it was also pretty easy for wrestlers to skip town if they had legal trouble. There would be a good chance it'd all blow over, especially if local authorities didn't know your shoot name, anyway. This also meant many of your peers might not really know specifics, only rumors, of whatever you were in trouble for to begin with. I know Matt Bourne also skipped town for something involving an underage girl, too, but I don't know specifics, and it would appear to be considerably less f***ed up than the Barr thing if it doesn't get brought up, but yeah, this was not unheard of. I doubt Art would have told Jericho much in the way of specifics.
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Post by Dang! on Dec 4, 2019 5:09:28 GMT -5
The sexual misconduct makes him hard to praise.He never made it big in a national promotion.His biggest run was a brief period of time in Mexico when there was no internet or youtube so most people didn’t see it.Him dying like 2 weeks after his breakthrough match in 94.A lot of people weren’t alive or were incredibly young when he died 25 years ago. He died when I had just started watching wrestling. I knew him from AAA which I caught since we had Mexican TV back then. I didn't know about his sex crime back then. That said, there really not much to talk about. He's one of many wrestlers that had his own demons that killed him way too early. I believe he could have reached legend status if things went differently in his life, but then that just wasn't meant to be.
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Post by ogreknee on Dec 4, 2019 10:34:40 GMT -5
But, like, rape is a horrific thing, I get not going to jail for burglary or car theft, but rape isn't something that you should be able to avoid serving time for. I agree 100000%. Unfortunately, a quick Google search will show you that that is not always the case. [br Brock turner
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:20:31 GMT -5
The sexual misconduct makes him hard to praise.He never made it big in a national promotion.His biggest run was a brief period of time in Mexico when there was no internet or youtube so most people didn’t see it.Him dying like 2 weeks after his breakthrough match in 94.A lot of people weren’t alive or were incredibly young when he died 25 years ago. He died when I had just started watching wrestling. I knew him from AAA which I caught since we had Mexican TV back then. I didn't know about his sex crime back then. That said, there really not much to talk about. He's one of many wrestlers that had his own demons that killed him way too early. I believe he could have reached legend status if things went differently in his life, but then that just wasn't meant to be. I was just a wee lad when he was in WCW as The Juicer and he was there so briefly.My real first exposure to him was When Worlds Collide as my neighbor had a black box and he invited me over I knew no one on the card other than Tito Santana & Benoit.I loved the double hair/double mask match and I was super impressed with Art & Eddie.It wasn’t till probably 6 months later when Eddie showed up in ECW that I learned Art died a couple weeks after When Worlds Collide.
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Post by bmfjules on Dec 4, 2019 11:35:47 GMT -5
The sex offender thing is likely a primary reason as many others have stated. Also, his prime came around at a bad time to be a wrestler. It was the early 90s slump after the territories were all dead, WCW was on its ass, WWF was on its ass etc... and he was trying to claw out a living in Mexico and the indy scene at the time. I imagine had he lived even five more years, he would have possibly have had a good ECW run and be well-known for that.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 4, 2019 13:01:03 GMT -5
I would like to think the sex offender thing is the main reason.
Doesn't seem to hurt a whole bunch of people too much, though, so I think lack of access to footage of his work and the time period his prime was in are relevant.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 4, 2019 13:37:21 GMT -5
I don’t think the sex offender thing had anything to do with it at all. Most don’t know about it. Plenty of wrestling “legends” are complete scumbags.
I think the biggest reason is that his work just wasn’t available for most American wrestling fans.
Considering those that knew him later in life says he was a good person im hoping he became a changed man that had remorse, was sorry and tried to live a better life and make amends
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Post by Big BosskMan on Dec 4, 2019 17:10:33 GMT -5
I saw a bit of Art Barr's WCW run as The Juicer. He was mainly a WCW Saturday Night guy, with an occasional match against an upper-card star whom he would job to.
His time in Atlanta was cut short once word got out about the sexual assault and a letter-writing/fax campaign into Turner got him released.
Jericho has hinted several times on his podcast that he intends to do a 1-1 with Meltzer on the career of Art Barr, supposedly by end of this year or early next.
On a related note, I'm watching (god knows why) on Amazon Prime a compilation of Portland Wrestling. Art's Dad, Sandy Barr, is the referee and almost every match in the compilation thus far has been a time limit draw or babyface win by DQ - where Sandy has traded hands with the heel for not breaking the hold that led to the DQ.
It's an interesting look back at the old territory days (and a territory I never got exposed to outside of the Apter mags) but be warned that the actual in-ring product isn't very great.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 4, 2019 20:50:50 GMT -5
If you watch any Eddie Guerrero match you see so much of Art Barr’s influence
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Post by edgestar on Dec 4, 2019 21:00:40 GMT -5
I know nothing about him.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 4, 2019 23:13:58 GMT -5
Because its really hard to look past someone being a rapist.
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