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Post by Fake Jesus on Dec 5, 2019 23:59:20 GMT -5
My reason for wanting AEW to do better than NXT is pretty simple: NXT is WWE.
AEW lives and dies on its own. NXT will be around as long as WWE wants a third brand. If AEW died and there was no competition in America again, there would literally be no alternative product if NXT suddenly became absolute shit. Which isn't likely, but the Bobby Rhoode era showed us the show isn't exactly infallible.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 6, 2019 5:49:53 GMT -5
This proves it. Alien = ratings.
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Post by domrep on Dec 6, 2019 11:44:00 GMT -5
I think it's super interesting that AEW is getting more of that 50+ audience.
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Post by markymark on Dec 6, 2019 13:58:57 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2019 14:03:07 GMT -5
Eeh,it was pretty steady through all show,no big spike or drop
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 15:06:29 GMT -5
What matters more, beating NXT or having a good show?
Would you still be as gung ho about this if the show was trash but you just want them to beat NXT/WWE?
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 6, 2019 15:14:01 GMT -5
My favorite part is that nearly most of the ratings talk in this post is centered on NXT, and not on what AEW did...despite it being on the AEW board.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 6, 2019 15:50:39 GMT -5
What matters more, beating NXT or having a good show? Would you still be as gung ho about this if the show was trash but you just want them to beat NXT/WWE? Pretty much where I am. I loved golden years ROH, and it was never going to be a mainstream hit in the state it was in. Right now, AEW is enjoyable, my girlfriend and I can enjoy it together, it has enough cool stuff that I can tell my friends about it and they show some level of interest. If they never do better than they are right now, I will be happy.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 6, 2019 15:52:57 GMT -5
The whole "NXT was on Wed.!" argument is so laughable to me. Who here even watched NXT on the WWE Network live on Wed. as it aired? I don't think I ever watched a single episode that way. I would watch it on Sat. when I had the chance. A nominal airing on a platform service is not like airing a show on national TV. It's not like NXT couldn't have simply replaced SD on USA with the Tues. night time slot. The only reason to air it on Wed. is to screw AEW. Question: Would NXT do a better number on Tues. instead of Wed.? Of course they would. It's literally a show that exists on USA to sabotage someone else, and to me it needs to be rejected as such. I still watch on the WWE Network (when it decides to work!), but sorry I'm not giving NXT on USA the time of day if I can avoid it. Yeah, I wonder about this. If they weren’t directly competing, it’s interesting to wonder what the ratings would be.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 6, 2019 17:37:36 GMT -5
Apparently Meltzer went on a whole thing on WOR going over all of the things he thinks aren't working so far on AEW; some people are playing it up as "Big Dave BURIES AEW!", but others are saying it sounded more like pretty steady "here's what I liked, here's what I didn't" that just led to him expounding on the negatives for awhile.
Thing is, one of the criticisms appeared to be that Dynamite feels too "WWE Lite"...and I honestly have no idea why he thinks that.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2019 17:42:34 GMT -5
Apparently Meltzer went on a whole thing on WOR going over all of the things he thinks aren't working so far on AEW; some people are playing it up as "Big Dave BURIES AEW!", but others are saying it sounded more like pretty steady "here's what I liked, here's what I didn't" that just led to him expounding on the negatives for awhile. Thing is, one of the criticisms appeared to be that Dynamite feels too "WWE Lite"...and I honestly have no idea why he thinks that. clearly Meltzer is on the NXT Payroll.No other possible explanation
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Post by eJm on Dec 6, 2019 17:49:02 GMT -5
Thing is, one of the criticisms appeared to be that Dynamite feels too "WWE Lite"...and I honestly have no idea why he thinks that. So having not listened to it yet (I could since I got the Black Friday deal for the podcasts but I probably won't end up doing it), there are people around the 'net that say AEW copies WWE when it comes to having an opening promo segment or comedy with Jericho and others. Honestly, I feel there is a good case to be made that the almost 20 years of no big mainstream wrestling competition has lead some people to believe that an alternative has to be strictly right down the middle not WWE to every nook and cranny (same could be said about "the marketplace of ideas" in the age of big conglomerates holding large monopolies, but that's a whole can of worms) and honestly, that's not really fair to put on anyone trying to get in the space. I'm not saying Dave feels that way but it's something I've noticed. If companies like AEW end up copying WWE in aspects, it's only because that space has been baron for so long, of course WWE's ideas are going to be seen as de facto and expecting someone to go fully against that is just sort of weird. But, like, the key difference between AEW and the main roster is that it feels like stuff in AEW leads to things down the road. The main roster has been on autopilot probably since the Draft 2.0 era of Smackdown fell apart. Marvel does really fun superhero movies. Nobody should copy them to the T but it also doesn't benefit the medium if the only alternative content was "The Boys".
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2019 18:57:58 GMT -5
Thing is, one of the criticisms appeared to be that Dynamite feels too "WWE Lite"...and I honestly have no idea why he thinks that. So having not listened to it yet (I could since I got the Black Friday deal for the podcasts but I probably won't end up doing it), there are people around the 'net that say AEW copies WWE when it comes to having an opening promo segment or comedy with Jericho and others. Honestly, I feel there is a good case to be made that the almost 20 years of no big mainstream wrestling competition has lead some people to believe that an alternative has to be strictly right down the middle not WWE to every nook and cranny (same could be said about "the marketplace of ideas" in the age of big conglomerates holding large monopolies, but that's a whole can of worms) and honestly, that's not really fair to put on anyone trying to get in the space. I'm not saying Dave feels that way but it's something I've noticed. If companies like AEW end up copying WWE in aspects, it's only because that space has been baron for so long, of course WWE's ideas are going to be seen as de facto and expecting someone to go fully against that is just sort of weird. But, like, the key difference between AEW and the main roster is that it feels like stuff in AEW leads to things down the road. The main roster has been on autopilot probably since the Draft 2.0 era of Smackdown fell apart. Marvel does really fun superhero movies. Nobody should copy them to the T but it also doesn't benefit the medium if the only alternative content was "The Boys". Even if The Boys is in fact,awesome.
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Post by eJm on Dec 6, 2019 18:58:56 GMT -5
So having not listened to it yet (I could since I got the Black Friday deal for the podcasts but I probably won't end up doing it), there are people around the 'net that say AEW copies WWE when it comes to having an opening promo segment or comedy with Jericho and others. Honestly, I feel there is a good case to be made that the almost 20 years of no big mainstream wrestling competition has lead some people to believe that an alternative has to be strictly right down the middle not WWE to every nook and cranny (same could be said about "the marketplace of ideas" in the age of big conglomerates holding large monopolies, but that's a whole can of worms) and honestly, that's not really fair to put on anyone trying to get in the space. I'm not saying Dave feels that way but it's something I've noticed. If companies like AEW end up copying WWE in aspects, it's only because that space has been baron for so long, of course WWE's ideas are going to be seen as de facto and expecting someone to go fully against that is just sort of weird. But, like, the key difference between AEW and the main roster is that it feels like stuff in AEW leads to things down the road. The main roster has been on autopilot probably since the Draft 2.0 era of Smackdown fell apart. Marvel does really fun superhero movies. Nobody should copy them to the T but it also doesn't benefit the medium if the only alternative content was "The Boys". Even if The Boys is in fact,awesome. I haven't seen it myself yet and hear good things but yeah, my point is just because Marvel is a rival doesn't mean you have to do entirely the opposite.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2019 19:02:21 GMT -5
Even if The Boys is in fact,awesome. I haven't seen it myself yet and hear good things but yeah, my point is just because Marvel is a rival doesn't mean you have to do entirely the opposite. Honestly DC "Justice League" was more opposite than The Boys Yes The Boys is a "corrupt/real life reflection" of a super hero world but it has the comedy and the super hero tropes with it. Anyway,to make the comparasion apt, Marvel is WWE right now and DC is AEW, DC is not trying to appeal to one formula anymore but to try and offer a little of averything. Before Shazam they were TNA,look how "mature" and awesome we are(while trying to follow the DC Ideas,just very badly)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 19:03:37 GMT -5
So having not listened to it yet (I could since I got the Black Friday deal for the podcasts but I probably won't end up doing it), there are people around the 'net that say AEW copies WWE when it comes to having an opening promo segment or comedy with Jericho and others. Honestly, I feel there is a good case to be made that the almost 20 years of no big mainstream wrestling competition has lead some people to believe that an alternative has to be strictly right down the middle not WWE to every nook and cranny (same could be said about "the marketplace of ideas" in the age of big conglomerates holding large monopolies, but that's a whole can of worms) and honestly, that's not really fair to put on anyone trying to get in the space. I'm not saying Dave feels that way but it's something I've noticed. If companies like AEW end up copying WWE in aspects, it's only because that space has been baron for so long, of course WWE's ideas are going to be seen as de facto and expecting someone to go fully against that is just sort of weird. But, like, the key difference between AEW and the main roster is that it feels like stuff in AEW leads to things down the road. The main roster has been on autopilot probably since the Draft 2.0 era of Smackdown fell apart. Marvel does really fun superhero movies. Nobody should copy them to the T but it also doesn't benefit the medium if the only alternative content was "The Boys". Even if The Boys is in fact,awesome. Nobody f***s with the Butcher, except Homelander
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 19:04:24 GMT -5
Apparently Meltzer went on a whole thing on WOR going over all of the things he thinks aren't working so far on AEW; some people are playing it up as "Big Dave BURIES AEW!", but others are saying it sounded more like pretty steady "here's what I liked, here's what I didn't" that just led to him expounding on the negatives for awhile. Thing is, one of the criticisms appeared to be that Dynamite feels too "WWE Lite"...and I honestly have no idea why he thinks that. Hopefully people won't go with the direction of legit criticism meaning he's burying them when that is obviously not the case
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Post by Dub H on Dec 6, 2019 19:08:31 GMT -5
Even if The Boys is in fact,awesome. Nobody f***s with the Butcher, except Homelander What about The Blade?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 19:11:29 GMT -5
Nobody f***s with the Butcher, except Homelander What about The Blade? He can pass for a Black Noir if he put a mask on
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 6, 2019 19:14:58 GMT -5
Only things that hurt to me was Nyla having a squash/beatdown segment even though I thought it was good it was the hardest drop, and yeah Brandi's promo. Daniels vs Pentagon probably should have happened earlier in the show too as it didn't click well. What worked? Statlander and her upset was big, and Jurassic Express and Jericho bumped huge as well, even more so than Moxley showing up for the main. I think that's important to note. But, was a solid show and as said, no BIG drops so the stuff that didn't work didn't have fans leaving in droves like how you might see 300,000 leave after a RAW segment...
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