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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 21, 2019 16:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by Shark on Dec 21, 2019 16:54:20 GMT -5
Reading the OP's original question made me wonder if this has to really be a promoter. I'm thinking a wrestler because a wrestler would really be who inspires a generation of people. No one really grows up wanting to be Vince McMahon or Paul Bosche or Fritz Von Erich. They want to be the guys they grew up watching. The guys that made them fall in love with pro wrestling. So who is still beloved to this day who has inspired a generation of talent, arguably twice over and was an innovator who really changed what being a pro wrestler could be and look like and his legacy is still intact to this day and arguably still growing. Rey Mysterio.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 21, 2019 18:00:19 GMT -5
Wrestling has existed for so long there is no single figure who exists in the public consciousness as a beloved figure who helped to create and guide as large a portion of it as Stan Lee so it no more has a Stan Lee figure than the NFL does. Vince would like to imagine himself in that role, but really he's a Martin Goodman figure who founded a company where other people could be creative while he reaped the benefit, only he started to view himself as the genius at some point along the way.
That said, cultivating the image of being the Stan Lee of wrestling is what Triple H has been going for with NXT, putting himself as the creative force behind everything when he didn't recruit talent, train them or book the shows, taking selfies with guys he had little to no hand in creating to bask in that reflected glory. He's very much trying to replicate the self promoting showman side of Lee without being any kind of creative force.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 21, 2019 18:20:03 GMT -5
To the mainstream, he's a lovably kooky visionary, and practically synonymous with the genre he brought to prominence. Within the industry, he can't not be respected as an extraordinary businessman, but there's always going to be a sour note there, of folks who think of him as a self-serving huckster who built his success off the backs of collaborators who got exploited and cheated out of the profits of their labor. Vince McMahon or Stan Lee? Yes. Not sure there is anything like the mainstream adoration for Vince that there was for Stan, guy was put on trial for pushing steroids on his talent and keeps having to explain why so many of his former employees drop dead before they reach the age of retirement. He hasn't done much of anything to soften his image aside from making fun of the XFL a decade ago, and he's reviving that because he feels those goshdarn minorities aren't respectful enough of the flag, troops and police officers who keep shooting them. Fair point. "Lovably" was probably a bad choice of words, though I'd say there's still plenty of parallels in their mainstream reputations; both used their work to build up their personal brands as larger-than-life eccentrics despite functioning in traditionally behind-the-scenes roles, and the popular image of both is as the singular creators of the modern vision of their respective genres, when the reality was a lot more complicated. Vince is a much sleazier, trashier figure, but then pro wrestling is the sleazier, trashier business.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2019 18:38:36 GMT -5
Wrestling has existed for so long there is no single figure who exists in the public consciousness as a beloved figure who helped to create and guide as large a portion of it as Stan Lee so it no more has a Stan Lee figure than the NFL does. Vince would like to imagine himself in that role, but really he's a Martin Goodman figure who founded a company where other people could be creative while he reaped the benefit, only he started to view himself as the genius at some point along the way. That said, cultivating the image of being the Stan Lee of wrestling is what Triple H has been going for with NXT, putting himself as the creative force behind everything when he didn't recruit talent, train them or book the shows, taking selfies with guys he had little to no hand in creating to bask in that reflected glory. He's very much trying to replicate the self promoting showman side of Lee without being any kind of creative force. To his credit, however, Hunter at least usually has the wisdom to stay out of the way when something is catching on down in NXT. And (and this can be taken as either a positive OR a negative, depending on how you feel about it), he's got the people he trusts the most in the business (HBK, X-Pac, Road Dogg) keeping their eyes on everyone in the PC for him.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 22, 2019 1:10:51 GMT -5
I bet Vince sees himself more as the Walt Disney of wrestling (even though no one else does).
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Post by Cyno on Dec 22, 2019 1:44:32 GMT -5
I bet Vince sees himself more as the Walt Disney of wrestling (even though no one else does). Considering what Walt Disney was allegedly like as a person, it probably isn't too far off.
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Post by SmashTV on Dec 22, 2019 8:25:13 GMT -5
I bet Vince sees himself more as the Walt Disney of wrestling (even though no one else does). I’m sure he actually labelled himself this some 35 years ago. Edit - Yep, in a 1986 interview with Larry King. I remember seeing it on the cover of an old Apter magazine.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 22, 2019 12:33:22 GMT -5
wrestling will never have a Stan Lee. it's a garbage business created by carnies.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 22, 2019 12:53:26 GMT -5
Apples and oranges. No one in the wrestling business did the same thing Lee did and definitely no one who was "(mostly) beloved" Toots and Vince K are the closest, but neither of them line up with Lee in a lot of areas. Barnett isn't close. My pick would be Vince K, but we Joe Neglia pointed out, no one really comes all that close for a comparison.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 22, 2019 12:55:32 GMT -5
wrestling will never have a Stan Lee. it's a garbage business created by carnies. Stan Lee is one of the biggest carnies to ever exist, so I'm not sure how this is a disqualifier.
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Post by bmfjules on Dec 22, 2019 13:55:04 GMT -5
Every old school shoot interview featuring old time bookers like Dusty, Watts, etc. would always speak about Eddie Graham with the kind of reverence and awe that comic book folks reserved for Stan Lee.
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Post by ogreknee on Dec 22, 2019 14:54:40 GMT -5
wrestling will never have a Stan Lee. it's a garbage business created by carnies. Yet here we are consuming this toxic bullshit
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Post by mauled on Dec 23, 2019 0:53:21 GMT -5
Stan Lee quite frequently gave credit to Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko and his other artists. No he didn't. He had been in a feud with Steve Ditko for years and his own conduct had been less the honourable during it. Lee was no saint.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 12:24:08 GMT -5
I think Vince Jr. is as close as anyone in wrestling can get.
He's the literal face of wrestling culture, the way Stan was the face of comics (even wrestling/comics they're not in charge of).
More shadiness on Vince's side, but when you look at the fandoms of both wrestling & comics and what they're willing to forgive/forget over generations, whatever lines should delineate the 2 in that regard can are probably are quite blurred. Then again, current wrestling fandom might not be so kind to Mr. McMahon...
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 27, 2019 10:51:55 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 27, 2019 11:30:54 GMT -5
Stan Lee quite frequently gave credit to Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko and his other artists. No he didn't. He had been in a feud with Steve Ditko for years and his own conduct had been less the honourable during it. Lee was no saint. yeah I mean, Smilin' Stan was really bad about giving credit where it was due a lot of the time. and he did screw over people monetarily. that said, he grew out of it as he got older and was always more than happy to give credit where it was due, especially towards the end of his life. and if the worst thing you can say about Stan was that he ripped off some of his collaborators and made things all about him, then he's practically a candidate for sainthood compared to your typical wrestling promoter.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2019 17:26:53 GMT -5
No he didn't. He had been in a feud with Steve Ditko for years and his own conduct had been less the honourable during it. Lee was no saint. yeah I mean, Smilin' Stan was really bad about giving credit where it was due a lot of the time. and he did screw over people monetarily. that said, he grew out of it as he got older and was always more than happy to give credit where it was due, especially towards the end of his life. and if the worst thing you can say about Stan was that he ripped off some of his collaborators and made things all about him, then he's practically a candidate for sainthood compared to your typical wrestling promoter. even compared to some other comic creators... For instance Bob Kane had it written into his contract with DC that only he could be considered the sole and only creator of Batman in perpetuity... even though Bill Finger did way more for the character. Stan at least stated he didn't mind Ditko being credited as the co-creator even if he personally considered himself the Creator.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 17:51:33 GMT -5
If I were to compare Vince to somebody in comics it'd be Bob Kane a lot quicker than it would be Stan Lee.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 27, 2019 18:13:47 GMT -5
If I were to compare Vince to somebody in comics it'd be Bob Kane a lot quicker than it would be Stan Lee. Hell even Bob Kane being compared to Vince sounds like an insult.
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