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Post by héad.casé on Jan 26, 2020 14:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by Rave on Jan 26, 2020 15:24:57 GMT -5
In the figurative arms race of professional wrestling, yesterday's finishers always end up as today's transitions. Sucks for him that everyone's co-opted his calling card, though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 26, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -5
this doesn't seem like what I consider a transition spot...
I mean I do get his overall idea where literally everyone is doing this.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 26, 2020 16:45:48 GMT -5
In the figurative arms race of professional wrestling, yesterday's finishers always end up as today's transitions. Sucks for him that everyone's co-opted his calling card, though. If I were him I would be happier to be that influential with my own move. Many great wrestlers have their finisher named for their gimmick but the moves have other names they are known by - like the DDT, for example. Petey's move is the Canadian Destroyer. He called it that. It will always be that.
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Post by thirteen3 on Jan 26, 2020 18:30:10 GMT -5
In the figurative arms race of professional wrestling, yesterday's finishers always end up as today's transitions. Sucks for him that everyone's co-opted his calling card, though. If I were him I would be happier to be that influential with my own move. Many great wrestlers have their finisher named for their gimmick but the moves have other names they are known by - like the DDT, for example. Petey's move is the Canadian Destroyer. He called it that. It will always be that. Except most commentators just call it simply a "destroyer".
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 26, 2020 19:36:13 GMT -5
If I was Petey, I'd be a mixture of proud that my move has lasted and stayed relevent for as long as it has to the point where everyone and their mum is using it, however, I'd be a bit annoyed if my big, signature move, was being used so often; like, Petey is a great wrestler, but, when I first saw him wrestle, I'd only watch his matches for the Canadian Destroyer.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 26, 2020 19:47:41 GMT -5
If I were him I would be happier to be that influential with my own move. Many great wrestlers have their finisher named for their gimmick but the moves have other names they are known by - like the DDT, for example. Petey's move is the Canadian Destroyer. He called it that. It will always be that. Except most commentators just call it simply a "destroyer". Was it even called a destroyer before it was a Canadian destroyer? Is it a variant? I genuinely don't know.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 26, 2020 20:14:39 GMT -5
I agree with him. It's a form of piledriver and a piledriver should ALWAYS be a match ender.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 26, 2020 20:53:29 GMT -5
I always think of it like this, kayfabe wise: Certain guys are masters of certain moves, hence they use them to finish off an opponent. Other guys attempt it, but don't know the true secret of the move, thus it doesn't work the same for them.
For another example, Shawn Michaels can finish guys off with a superkick because he knows exactly when and how to hit the move. The Young Bucks can spam them because even though they can deal damage with them, they don't have the same perfect delivery of Michaels.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jan 26, 2020 23:25:41 GMT -5
I always think of it like this, kayfabe wise: Certain guys are masters of certain moves, hence they use them to finish off an opponent. Other guys attempt it, but don't know the true secret of the move, thus it doesn't work the same for them. For another example, Shawn Michaels can finish guys off with a superkick because he knows exactly when and how to hit the move. The Young Bucks can spam them because even though they can deal damage with them, they don't have the same perfect delivery of Michaels. The Young Bucks are scrawny little f***s with poor weight transfer on their kicks, that's why they need a baker's dozen of them to get a 2 count. Shawn... was a less scrawny little f*** with EXCELLENT weight transfer on his kick, hence it being a knockout blow. It's all about them kayfabe physics.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 26, 2020 23:34:27 GMT -5
I'm fine with it being a strong 2 count move. It mostly just annoys me when someone no-sells it entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:54:03 GMT -5
He picked a weird one to come after considering Devlin sold that like Banks had just committed a murder.
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Post by 111111 on Jan 27, 2020 10:02:44 GMT -5
I’ve always found it to be a bit of awkward looking move tbh. Like half the time it looks like it’s hurting the guy doing it more and midway through it it kind of looks like the guy receiving it is the guy doing the move.
Might just be because it’s used so much a lot of people are shitty at it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 11:13:33 GMT -5
I mark for the move but seriously how is it so overdone?
And why isn’t it a match ender?
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Post by chronocross on Jan 27, 2020 11:15:02 GMT -5
Yeah it's definitely a mid-match move now, wasn't there a top rope Canadian destroyer at a TNA PPV a month or so ago that wasn't the finish?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 15:23:28 GMT -5
Hell, 720 splashes are regular moves people kick out of.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 27, 2020 15:55:15 GMT -5
I get what he’s saying, but 95% of the moves done today started out as a finisher. Even shit like drop kicks and vertical suplexes were finishes once upon a time.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 27, 2020 15:56:52 GMT -5
He invented it, so he gets to call how everyone else should use it.
That’s how this works, right?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 27, 2020 16:08:33 GMT -5
I get his point, though I wonder if Jake Roberts ever got visibly annoyed like that when everyone and their mother adopted the DDT as a standard move.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 2, 2020 7:59:05 GMT -5
I get his point, though I wonder if Jake Roberts ever got visibly annoyed like that when everyone and their mother adopted the DDT as a standard move. I have a vague recollection of him stating something along the lines of the HBK/Young Bucks example given above: You might get up from everyone else's DDT. You don't get up from his. Jake's also pretty open that he invented it completely by accident basically by tripping and taking his opponent with him and his opponent at the time just sold it like it had killed him and the crowd popped, so Jake realized he had stumbled onto something. It's hard to get high and mighty about an origin story like that.
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