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Post by Manute Bol on Jan 26, 2020 23:55:57 GMT -5
Wait, I loved it. Does this mean I'm an idiot?
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Post by Christian on Jan 26, 2020 23:58:02 GMT -5
Once Brock was out of there it was a damn good rumble. Exactly. The rest of It had everything you'd want in a Rumble Match. And the right guy won!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:58:08 GMT -5
Wait, I loved it. Does this mean I'm an idiot? No. Just means your tastes are different. Maffew loved it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 26, 2020 23:59:31 GMT -5
Wait, I loved it. Does this mean I'm an idiot? Why y'all always go from zero to one hundred You can like it, no one said otherwise
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 26, 2020 23:59:33 GMT -5
Speaking as a non-regular WWE watcher...yeah, the men's rumble was awful.
Caveats I mentioned in the PPV thread: the Drew/Brock story was done well, including paying off the whole "Ricochet needs to get his heat back for Brock kicking him in the nuts" part, and helped get Drew over big, and Edge's return is impressive for obvious reasons. Those parts keep it from being some kind of all time awful Rumble.
But man, what a slog. Totally get what they were going for with Lesnar, but it was at the expense of so many viable people on the roster. There were guys who might present really interesting matchups for Brock in Big E, Cesaro, and Keith Lee; guys like Shinsuke who's, you know, your @#$%ing IC champion; and then there was how dirty they did Kofi. Really don't want to hear how WWE "has a plan" or whatever for anybody, they took Kofi, gave him the belt, then treated him like an afterthought and want you to remember he's not a main eventer anymore. Awful, awful, awful.
Then the second half started and...it was bleh. One upside is that there were mostly strong names in it, a solid number of guys who felt like legitimate possible winners going in, but the eliminations and spots were so uneven, so rapid at times, so anticlimactic that almost none of it registered with me. Plus it fell back into the "let's all sleep in the corner every time a new guy comes in!" formula, complete with people napping outside the ring because they were gassed, and I hate hate hate hate hate that in a match where the entire point is supposed to be "leaving the ring should only be for exceptional circumstances, and for shit's sake, at least make it look like you're trying to eliminate one another!"
The Rumble is one of two PPVs a year that casuals will check out. Speaking as a non-WWE viewer, and someone who watched the match and thus fits that category, all I can say is that this match made most of their roster, both before and after the Brock elimination, look like shit. I don't see any reason to care about any of these guys outside of McIntyre, Brock, and Edge.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 27, 2020 0:00:08 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty entertaining, to be honest. They balanced out the Brock sequence with some variety (the Shelton comedy, the hoss fight with Keith/Braun, the New Day/Rey alliance complete with Brock springboard!), and it was heartening to see Edge able to perform the way he did tonight.
Also of note is that its three straight Rumbles for Roman (2017/18/20) as the last man out.
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Post by eJm on Jan 27, 2020 0:00:38 GMT -5
Oh no, oh no no no no.
Please don’t compare this to 2015. As much as the Brock stuff did go long (I’m biased, he was my pick in the numbers game we were doing), there was never a point where I felt f***ed over as a fan possibly besides the Kofi bit which was SUPER weird considering they interviewed the guy beforehand. If that was the payoff, man, sucks for him.
But the match had really fun moments and the ending was great for reasons that involved my game (I keep getting Roman and I didn’t want to anymore so thanks Drew for dumping his ass).
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 27, 2020 0:02:52 GMT -5
I think the two biggest wasted entries were Rowan and Jomo.
Rowan's got this angle right now which, while not the biggest deal in the world, has been given consistent TV time. Why not give him a couple minutes with Brock before he gets tossed. Morrison, just signed a very lucrative contract to keep him away from AEW, so why not have him evade Brock's first attempt at elimination with some parkour and then get tossed for a real a second time? You're paying him not to wrestle Kenny Omega after all.
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 27, 2020 0:06:10 GMT -5
I feel this Rumble had three waves:
1.Fresh Brock taking out all his old beefs in wave (Rey, Kofi/E) 2. Wave 2 was Brock, though tired, re-establishing himself until he's overwhelmed by the numbers game 3. Post Brock Rumble
They should've saved part 1 until the end of part 2. Have him get the brief scare with the Lee/Braun combo, then you can really hook the crowd with Kofi and Rey. They shot themselves in the foot, I feel because of the Edge return.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2020 0:08:41 GMT -5
I found the Brock half very compelling. There were real stakes attached. I prefer it to the formula of Newest Entrant Does His Spots followed by a million skin-the-cats. People just like counting down and seeing who’s next. Hardly anything ever interesting happens in them. Plus for the last 20 years or so, WWE telegraphs the win so badly doing the match is pointless.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 27, 2020 0:08:42 GMT -5
I think the two biggest wasted entries were Rowan and Jomo. Rowan's got this angle right now which, while not the biggest deal in the world, has been given consistent TV time. Why not give him a couple minutes with Brock before he gets tossed. Morrison, just signed a very lucrative contract to keep him away from AEW, so why not have him evade Brock's first attempt at elimination with some parkour and then get tossed for a real a second time? You're paying him not to wrestle Kenny Omega after all. Yeah, that was kind of the point I was making about the first half, but I thought of those specifically in the moment: you're clearly committed to pushing both Rowan and Morrison right now, why would you just make them look like such shit there? Again, the goal with Brock made sense, but holy shit, it's a worked match, you kayfabe the entrance numbers, why would you do that with two guys you're trying to push right now? To once again parrot Brandon Stroud from Uproxx, WWE has spent sooooooo many years training fans to only react to finishers, catchphrases, and the opening chords of someone's theme song that the Rumble is almost the perfect match for them, because good Lord does it usually lack anything beyond those. Still, I get the argument "at least it was something different!", but this felt like way too much damage done to too many people. And again, even the second half once Brock was gone was mostly boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:09:35 GMT -5
The Brock part should have just been Brock tossing goobers until we established the bulk of the Rumble.
Unfortunately, people still think Kofi isn't a goober. That did not help this part one bit.
Also means Braun is another guy. But we've gone through that song & dance three or four times with him.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2020 0:13:43 GMT -5
I think the two biggest wasted entries were Rowan and Jomo. Rowan's got this angle right now which, while not the biggest deal in the world, has been given consistent TV time. Why not give him a couple minutes with Brock before he gets tossed. Morrison, just signed a very lucrative contract to keep him away from AEW, so why not have him evade Brock's first attempt at elimination with some parkour and then get tossed for a real a second time? You're paying him not to wrestle Kenny Omega after all. Yeah, that was kind of the point I was making about the first half, but I thought of those specifically in the moment: you're clearly committed to pushing both Rowan and Morrison right now, why would you just make them look like such shit there? Again, the goal with Brock made sense, but holy shit, it's a worked match, you kayfabe the entrance numbers, why would you do that with two guys you're trying to push right now? Unless your Brock, Roman, Charlotte, Becky and a few others that kind of come and go into this, nothing you do or say or anything matters. WWE isn’t even trying to make it look like a legit competition anymore. They did “stop they’re hurt!” with the ref spot at least twice tonight. Unless the performer is actually injured, get the f*** outta the way. The point is incapacitate your opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:23:00 GMT -5
The Brock half was a mixed bag. From funny to cringe worthy to badass to going on to long.
Still better Cain.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jan 27, 2020 0:25:22 GMT -5
I felt bad for Nakamura 2 years ago winning the thing then this year lasting like 10 seconds
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:26:27 GMT -5
Nobody is going to lose any sleep Elias, MVP, or Roode not getting a better run.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 27, 2020 0:27:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that was kind of the point I was making about the first half, but I thought of those specifically in the moment: you're clearly committed to pushing both Rowan and Morrison right now, why would you just make them look like such shit there? Again, the goal with Brock made sense, but holy shit, it's a worked match, you kayfabe the entrance numbers, why would you do that with two guys you're trying to push right now? Unless your Brock, Roman, Charlotte, Becky and a few others that kind of come and go into this, nothing you do or say or anything matters. WWE isn’t even trying to make it look like a legit competition anymore. They did “stop they’re hurt!” with the ref spot at least twice tonight. Unless the performer is actually injured, get the f*** outta the way. The point is incapacitate your opponent. I can always go back and enjoy watching the original Rumbles, late 80s/early 90s, because it actually felt like people were in there trying to win, working to dump people out however they could...no, not everybody did it perfectly, but it was the general sense you'd get watching them. For the record, I totally get why we can't get a match like those anymore: the original Rumbles were over as hell not due to their action or spots, but due to it being the only time you'd see that many big names in one place at the same time, with the added drama of seeing weird matchups, like two babyfaces fighting or tag partners going at it. In today's world where every semi-big name is on prime time TV every week, that's not achievable anymore, so you have to try and put big spots in the match to give it meaning again. But man, when you just see people lying down, "napping" outside of the ring, etc., instead of people pushing against the ropes, people hanging on to turnbuckles, etc., it just feels so lifeless and robotic.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 27, 2020 0:28:03 GMT -5
That Rumble was the closest I got to canceling the Network. I was certain Brock was going to dominate but that was ridiculous. Guys like John Morrison, Rey Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, Big E and Shinsuke Nakamura were made to look like chumps tonight. Once he dumped Braun & Lee I wanted to cancel it right there. The only reason I didn't is that I had friends over so I just walked out of the room instead. I only returned once one of my friends told me that Drew eliminated him.
I will give the WWE credit for giving Drew the rub. I felt for sure it was going to be Cain Velazquez to set up the "epic rematch." Still they could have had Brock eliminate only 5 to 8 guys and gotten the same result.
The second half of the Rumble was ok but not great. I liked Edge's return and enjoyed seeing Seth getting beat down. I wouldn't have minded seeing Roman win but Drew winning was ok too. At least they're trying to build him up.
Still it's one of the worst Rumbles I've ever seen. Not quite as bad as 1995 but a close second.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2020 0:31:56 GMT -5
Unless your Brock, Roman, Charlotte, Becky and a few others that kind of come and go into this, nothing you do or say or anything matters. WWE isn’t even trying to make it look like a legit competition anymore. They did “stop they’re hurt!” with the ref spot at least twice tonight. Unless the performer is actually injured, get the f*** outta the way. The point is incapacitate your opponent. I can always go back and enjoy watching the original Rumbles, late 80s/early 90s, because it actually felt like people were in there trying to win, working to dump people out however they could...no, not everybody did it perfectly, but it was the general sense you'd get watching them. For the record, I totally get why we can't get a match like those anymore: the original Rumbles were over as hell not due to their action or spots, but due to it being the only time you'd see that many big names in one place at the same time, with the added drama of seeing weird matchups, like two babyfaces fighting or tag partners going at it. In today's world where every semi-big name is on prime time TV every week, that's not achievable anymore, so you have to try and put big spots in the match to give it meaning again. But man, when you just see people lying down, "napping" outside of the ring, etc., instead of people pushing against the ropes, people hanging on to turnbuckles, etc., it just feels so lifeless and robotic. Yeah I still enjoy the 89-93 or so Rumbles, to go back and see them fairly regularly. After that, not so much.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 27, 2020 0:33:53 GMT -5
I thought it was the best Rumble match they've done in years. Everything in it actually meant something for once. So many little nuances throughout the match.
I can see the argument the Brock part went on a few entrants too long but it was good storytelling IMO. Something WWE have sorely lacked in recent years.
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