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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 27, 2020 0:08:06 GMT -5
I was fascinated by the crowd reaction to this in contrast to the reaction here, because, while Flair has never been crazy over like Lynch has been recently, she’s still decently over and the only time there’s ever been that Cena/Reigns type backlash to her was when she was directly opposed to Lynch in the last 18 months. Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake Man, some people are talking like she’s Erik Watts. Did nepotism open the door for her? Come on. Absolutely. Is it why she’s still where she is? Absolutely not. She’s legitimately very good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:08:39 GMT -5
I was fascinated by the crowd reaction to this in contrast to the reaction here, because, while Flair has never been crazy over like Lynch has been recently, she’s still decently over and the only time there’s ever been that Cena/Reigns type backlash to her was when she was directly opposed to Lynch in the last 18 months. Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake She's probably one of those talents that won't be fully appreciated until after their career's over.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 0:10:21 GMT -5
Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake Man, some people are talking like she’s Erik Watts. Did nepotism open the door for her? Come on. Absolutely. Is it why she’s still where she is? Absolutely not. She’s legitimately very good. People have a hard time separating talent and how long you stay If you got in the door thanks to nepotism then that negates your talent
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 0:11:12 GMT -5
Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake She's probably one of those talents that won't be fully appreciated until after their career's over. It is going to take a while like Orton who has gotten appreciation as his career has come up in the years but he won't ever get his due until he retires
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:12:19 GMT -5
Man, some people are talking like she’s Erik Watts. Did nepotism open the door for her? Come on. Absolutely. Is it why she’s still where she is? Absolutely not. She’s legitimately very good. People have a hard time separating talent and how long you stay If you got in the door thanks to nepotism then that negates your talent It's like Alexa, though obviously Alexa isn't even in Charlotte's league when it comes to in ring work. Her looks probably did give her her start, but her charisma and ability to connect with the crowd is what's kept her around.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 27, 2020 0:14:19 GMT -5
I was fascinated by the crowd reaction to this in contrast to the reaction here, because, while Flair has never been crazy over like Lynch has been recently, she’s still decently over and the only time there’s ever been that Cena/Reigns type backlash to her was when she was directly opposed to Lynch in the last 18 months. If you really want a mind f***, there was zero backlash to her ending Asuka's streak. Like, she stood in the ring that Tuesday to a good reception, and the closest thing to the crowd turning was the positive response to the IIconics' debut and Carmella cashing in, but those moments were always going to get pops regardless of who they did it to.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 0:14:46 GMT -5
People have a hard time separating talent and how long you stay If you got in the door thanks to nepotism then that negates your talent It's like Alexa, though obviously Alexa isn't even in Charlotte's league when it comes to in ring work. Her looks probably did give her her start, but her charisma and ability to connect with the crowd is what's kept her around. Her talent without question is why she is where she is. Yes, some of the push is thanks to family but if her talent was trash she would not have gotten that chance I think she is the top all around woman in the game with Tessa Blanchard getting a strong argument
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 27, 2020 0:21:31 GMT -5
Charlotte strikes me as someone who epitomizes WWE's booking weaknesses: she's very talented and there's no reason why she shouldn't be over universally, but they're so disinterested in using characters to tell actual stories that it just turns into "she's just racking up accolades", rather than those accolades feeling like they fit into a larger narrative arc.
There's no reason why Charlotte couldn't be an ace/long term champ type figure ala the modern puro aces or even her dad during his prime with Crockett Promotions and get some really great reactions, but WWE doesn't really do things with the big picture in mind, just "we need to get these moments in."
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Post by cjh on Jan 27, 2020 0:25:57 GMT -5
People have a hard time separating talent and how long you stay If you got in the door thanks to nepotism then that negates your talent It's like Alexa, though obviously Alexa isn't even in Charlotte's league when it comes to in ring work. Her looks probably did give her her start, but her charisma and ability to connect with the crowd is what's kept her around. That's not really the same thing, though, for the reasons you said. Bliss should be a manager at best, not a 5-time champion. Charlotte may have just been pushed a little too hard.
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Post by Shark on Jan 27, 2020 0:26:07 GMT -5
I honestly think they are doing the Horsewomen 4 way for both titles. Maybe they just unify both belts that way or do a 2 fall match or what. Becky vs Charlotte or Charlotte vs Bayley are not Mania matches with how many times they've done them. The 4 way match has never happened on the main roster, I think there's enough they can do with it to make it count for Mania since not only would it be something of a tag match, but you throw in the titles, not to mention the bragging rights, that's the only end game I see with Charlotte winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:27:03 GMT -5
It's like Alexa, though obviously Alexa isn't even in Charlotte's league when it comes to in ring work. Her looks probably did give her her start, but her charisma and ability to connect with the crowd is what's kept her around. That's not really the same thing, though, for the reasons you said. Bliss should be a manager at best, not a 5-time champion. Charlotte may have just been pushed a little too hard. Eh, I won't go so far as to say Alexa should be a manager at best. She shouldn't be a 5x champ, I'll give you that, but she clearly has value as a tag team wrestler at least.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 27, 2020 0:29:26 GMT -5
2018: Asuka 2019: Becky Lynch 2020: Charlotte Flair Put the house on Dana Brooke next year, kids. It's Dakota Kai's year. Sorry, but Deonna Purrazzo's taking it next year.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jan 27, 2020 0:33:07 GMT -5
Honestly I thought this Rumble was worse than the men's one. Just so little happening most of the time.
Also, the end spot was duuumb. You're telling me that Shayna Baszler of all people wouldn't think to just kick her off the ropes? f*** outta here dude, lol
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 27, 2020 0:33:49 GMT -5
I am genuinely fine with Charlotte winning. She's continually delivered and has worked hard. In a vacuum, her winning the Rumble is entirely justified.
It's just, with Bayley and Becky, she has had way too many matches with the two of them one on one. If the aim is a 4-way between the Horsewoman, sure, that'd probably be worthy of a 'Mania match, but they'd need to justify why Sasha would deserve to be in it.
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Post by cjh on Jan 27, 2020 0:34:03 GMT -5
That's not really the same thing, though, for the reasons you said. Bliss should be a manager at best, not a 5-time champion. Charlotte may have just been pushed a little too hard. Eh, I won't go so far as to say Alexa should be a manager at best. She shouldn't be a 5x champ, I'll give you that, but she clearly has value as a tag team wrestler at least. I think a good wrestler would have more value. If she isn't cutting promos, she has basically nothing to offer. I am kind of surprised that Charlotte won since she'll probably face Becky, which is not exactly a fresh match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:37:12 GMT -5
She’s just so played out and boring. A great talent for sure, but I’d rather see just about anything else other than another Becky/Charlotte match/another Charlotte Mania title match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:40:59 GMT -5
IMO the 4H are progressively becoming a bigger and bigger detriment to the main roster womens division because there is nothing left of it ...except the 4H.
NXT has it so right in that they have an heirarchy but no on woman or women really over power the rest , all get their own feuds so it isn't just a recycling of challengers to a singular champion with no one looking better.
idk what the hell the main roster womens roster is gonna look like post mania but that shit is on serious life support.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 0:41:19 GMT -5
I honestly think they are doing the Horsewomen 4 way for both titles. Maybe they just unify both belts that way or do a 2 fall match or what. Becky vs Charlotte or Charlotte vs Bayley are not Mania matches with how many times they've done them. The 4 way match has never happened on the main roster, I think there's enough they can do with it to make it count for Mania since not only would it be something of a tag match, but you throw in the titles, not to mention the bragging rights, that's the only end game I see with Charlotte winning. My prediction months ago was that they are doing another unification title match with all 4HW going against each other
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Post by Dub H on Jan 27, 2020 0:42:14 GMT -5
She’s just so played out and boring. A great talent for sure, but I’d rather see just about anything else other than another Becky/Charlotte match/another Charlotte Mania title match. She aint even that good.She is great in ring technician but always lacks personality. She should have been a champ yes.but for a long time she was the ONLY option we had. Until people had enough. There defitenly was backlasb to hee ending Asuka streak ,not at the show itself maybe . But she was always got " okay" reactions.I feel.her first truly great showing main roster wise was the Becky matches. To the amount she gotten pushed she should have been having Becky reactions. Is Becky overpushed right now? Absolutely ,but at least she got the crowd and money to back up the decision. Basicallt while she is good,people overblow how much and there is always more interesting choices
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 0:42:46 GMT -5
IMO the 4H are progressively becoming a bigger and bigger detriment to the main roster womens division because there is nothing left of it ...except the 4H. NXT has it so right in that they have an heirarchy but no on woman or women really over power the rest , all get their own feuds so it isn't just a recycling of challengers to a singular champion with no one looking better. idk what the hell the main roster womens roster is gonna look like post mania but that shit is on serious life support. All 4HW except maybe Sasha need to take a big step back.No one really looks like a good challenge on RAW and SD Meanwhile, you can put the title on Dakota Kai tomorrow and no one would blink an eye
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