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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 9, 2020 14:02:09 GMT -5
Yep seriously.
I thought they worked well together&thought the gimmick was pretty solid especially for that era.
Were they groundbreaking or one of the all time great teams? Nope but they were a solid team that were entertaining.
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Post by Secret Clown on Apr 9, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -5
I did like The Sidewinder as a finisher.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 9, 2020 15:02:25 GMT -5
Yep seriously. I thought they worked well together&thought the gimmick was pretty solid especially for that era. Were they groundbreaking or one of the all time great teams? Nope but they were a solid team that were entertaining. Very underrated team who were victims of being in a pretty bleak division for like, all of their tenure.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 9, 2020 16:01:17 GMT -5
Very underrated team who were victims of being in a pretty bleak division for like, all of their tenure. [/quote] Very true and they carried the tag team scene for a few years. Who else was really around of any value? Yokozuna and Owen were really a make shift team bound to split up and Allied Powers were just thrown together because neither guy was doing much at the time. In 1995 and 1996 you had the tag title tournaments but it was mostly guys who rarely had TV time (Heavenly Bodies, Well Dunn, Bushwhackers) or teams thrown together just to make up the numbers (Kid and Tatanka or Bam Bam and Tatanka). The Gunns also seemed to disappear, I think for injuries but once they came back they were right back in the tag title scene.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 9, 2020 16:12:06 GMT -5
I did like The Sidewinder as a finisher. I liked both their finishers, they started off with a backdrop into a piledriver. I'll always defend the 1993 tag scene, The Steiners, The Smoking Gunns, The Headshrinkers, Money Inc, The Quebecers, all decent to great teams, that's a great core of teams that were often one of the best things on the card (Wrestlemania 9 stands out), underneath you had the green but over Men on a Mission, The Bushwackers hanging around to put people over, and another JTTS team in Well Dunn do you had more bodies to give it depth. Was it the best scene? but it was solid and would have been amazing with better booking.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 9, 2020 16:19:35 GMT -5
I did like The Sidewinder as a finisher. I liked both their finishers, they started off with a backdrop into a piledriver. I'll always defend the 1993 tag scene, The Steiners, The Smoking Gunns, The Headshrinkers, Money Inc, The Quebecers, all decent to great teams, that's a great core of teams that were often one of the best things on the card (Wrestlemania 9 stands out), underneath you had the green but over Men on a Mission, The Bushwackers hanging around to put people over, and another JTTS team in Well Dunn do you had more bodies to give it depth. Was it the best scene? but it was solid and would have been amazing with better booking. 1993 could have been a lot better with better booking, as you said. I watched every WWF show but Challenge at the time and most teams must have started on Challenge because they just seemed to come out of nowhere with no promos or anything at the time. MOM and Quebeccers for the best example. I don't even remember Quebeccers having a match before the tag title win. I think promos during that time period were very lacking compared to what they had been a few years earlier. Also WWF should have just done a few promos with Heavenly Bodies coming in as a new WWF team, not specifically from SMW. Coming from a much lesser known promotion seemed to be a death sentence and that was no different for them. Sad to say I think the tag match at Survivor Series was a concession stand break for fans and after the first two PPV matches for them, they really just became the team WWF used when they needed to fill up a PPV.
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Post by Paul on Apr 9, 2020 17:26:19 GMT -5
I liked them, too. I thought they always put on a solid match and.. okay also I thought the "shooting the guns" thing they did before the matches was pretty cool.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 9, 2020 17:32:38 GMT -5
They weren't bad, but a cowboy gimmick in the 90s just seemed dated. Not enough tine had passed for the gimmick to be an amusing throwback or retro.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 9, 2020 18:13:55 GMT -5
I wonder what was planned for Billy (he seems to be the company favorite) when they split in 1996. Based on their careers between late 1996 and 1997 they definitely needed to be a team rather than singles. Despite being the main tag team for the last few years, neither did much of note during the split time period before Road Dogg came along with Billy.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 9, 2020 18:48:29 GMT -5
They were fine. I’m from Alberta, so they just seemed to dressed normally to me, in fact, around here, they’d be underdressed.
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Post by DSR on Apr 9, 2020 20:41:22 GMT -5
I was a fan.
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Post by hassanchop on Apr 10, 2020 1:01:47 GMT -5
They weren't bad, but a cowboy gimmick in the 90s just seemed dated. Not enough tine had passed for the gimmick to be an amusing throwback or retro. If it went on to the attitude era, they might still have the cowboy attire but with a stripper gimmick: Then they can form a stable with The Godfather and Mark Henry and feud with the Right To Censor. Speaking of Right To Censor, what if Billy Gunn went back to being The Smoking Gunn instead of The One, since that gimmick was clean? Would Chuck Palumbo also be a Smoking Gunn post-Invasion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 1:37:32 GMT -5
I did like The Sidewinder as a finisher. I liked both their finishers, they started off with a backdrop into a piledriver. I'll always defend the 1993 tag scene, The Steiners, The Smoking Gunns, The Headshrinkers, Money Inc, The Quebecers, all decent to great teams, that's a great core of teams that were often one of the best things on the card (Wrestlemania 9 stands out), underneath you had the green but over Men on a Mission, The Bushwackers hanging around to put people over, and another JTTS team in Well Dunn do you had more bodies to give it depth. Was it the best scene? but it was solid and would have been amazing with better booking. I was trying to find a gif of their finishers and failed, but I'll be damned if this isn't a sweet looking move: Billy gets some serious height on that dropkick
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Post by SmashTV on Apr 10, 2020 3:33:39 GMT -5
I always thought that they never had the credit they deserved. They were a young, exciting team and while the gimmick was a bit outdated it fitted in well with the era. The tag scene at the time was nowhere near as strong as it had been some five years prior (talking about their 1993 debut), but, as mentioned above, if things had been booked better there could have been some incredible matches with the Gunns, Steiners, Quebecers, Bodies and Headshrinkers. I never rated Men on a Mission and Well Dunn were a joke, bit with better planning the other five teams could have shone.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 10, 2020 3:38:34 GMT -5
I liked both their finishers, they started off with a backdrop into a piledriver. I'll always defend the 1993 tag scene, The Steiners, The Smoking Gunns, The Headshrinkers, Money Inc, The Quebecers, all decent to great teams, that's a great core of teams that were often one of the best things on the card (Wrestlemania 9 stands out), underneath you had the green but over Men on a Mission, The Bushwackers hanging around to put people over, and another JTTS team in Well Dunn do you had more bodies to give it depth. Was it the best scene? but it was solid and would have been amazing with better booking. I was trying to find a gif of their finishers and failed, but I'll be damned if this isn't a sweet looking move: Billy gets some serious height on that dropkick Not a gif, but here's that first finisher youtu.be/61xaEaMqRno?t=217Also, that match, feel bad for Bart Gunn, 4th most successful person in the match, after one of the jobbers and the referee!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 10, 2020 3:41:00 GMT -5
I always thought that they never had the credit they deserved. They were a young, exciting team and while the gimmick was a bit outdated it fitted in well with the era. The tag scene at the time was nowhere near as strong as it had been some five years prior (talking about their 1993 debut), but, as mentioned above, if things had been booked better there could have been some incredible matches with the Gunns, Steiners, Quebecers, Bodies and Headshrinkers. I never rated Men on a Mission and Well Dunn were a joke, bit with better planning the other five teams could have shone. Oh yeah, Well Dunn were a total joke, but even then you needed the barely not a jobber team to eat some pins, and MoM, yeah they sucked, but they were kinda a less talented Too Cool, light hearted face team, but because of Mabel's size, able to be taken a little seriously, and the live audience did get into the dancing and rapping.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 10, 2020 3:54:08 GMT -5
I pretty much missed their entire run. After almost a decade, I more or less stopped watching wrestling around Wrestlemania 9 (partly because of it becoming the Hogan show again, partly because I just did not care for the Ballroom on Raw), and didn't come back until just after the NWO started in WCW, so Billy was already in Rockabilly mode.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Apr 10, 2020 7:26:13 GMT -5
They wrestled really well together but the product was dull and their gimmick was generic.
As well as they worked as wrestlers the show was just so boring at that point it was tough to stand out
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 10, 2020 7:37:54 GMT -5
I remember the 1994 WWF yearbook which was done by "Scoop Sullivan" from WWF magazine and it basically all cartoons, not full page promo type photos. The 1994 book didn't even have the Gunns in it which probably speaks to how management felt about them at the time. Though they did go on to have a great two more years but again, mostly because of a bad tag team division. I think the only other ones not in that book were the Bodies, Well Dunn and Bob Holly. King Kong Bundy who had literally just returned even had an entry in the book. Someone new must have been doing the Sullivan gimmick, or maybe Vince Russo to be silly because almost every WWF yearbook had even the lowest card guys listed. I don't recall Sullivan lasting too long in the magazine either. Also, it's nice to see Bart take his time with the piledriver on the jobber in that youtube video. It looks like a crazy, dangerous move if not performed properly. If it had been LOD or Steiners, that guy would be paralyzed with no concern from the teams, except maybe Animal.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 10, 2020 8:26:25 GMT -5
They were fine. I’m from Alberta, so they just seemed to dressed normally to me, in fact, around here, they’d be underdressed. Yeah that's probably part of what I liked about the gimmick too. Knew dudes like that. Hell, guy I graduated high school with became a professional bull rider
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