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Post by wildojinx on Apr 25, 2022 14:36:40 GMT -5
Basically this. It wasn't just ECW. Smoky Mountain also used music they didn't have rights to. Smoky Mountain is an exception because it was backed by Rick Rubin at the time. I think that probably helped them avoid legal issues? Maybe, but as far as I know, none of the artists SMW used for music were signed to Rubin's record label (American recordings) or produced by Rubin.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 25, 2022 15:00:22 GMT -5
If Sting simply changed his face paint, I could see it as no big deal. But he took the whole look. All black clothing, similar hair, the trenchcoat. Even the motive of revenge. I'm guessing Dimension Films didn't see it as worth the effort to sue. While it was all similar there is a a lot of reasons why it was not really law suit. The Crow its self. The story was a dead rockstar coming back for revenge on murder of himself and his girlfriend. This element was never a part of Sting character. Yes it was betrayal from Hogan and WCW but more Hogan. But again not the same Story. The Crow used that bird and Sting when used a bird was a vulture. Similar but not the same. Yeah he dress a lot like the movie character but was he ever calling himself The Crow, Eric Draven (The movie character name.)Or when he did speak, he never used lines from the movie. Face paint changed no long after after it started. The ring attire again had scorpions on it. Also different form of entertainment. Movies vs Pro Wrestling. Can you sue on using a similar look but in a different form of entertainment? like examples we have Sting the wrestler and Sting the singer. We have The Game HHH and The Game the rapper and The Game the Movie. Cactus Jack the wrestler and than Cactus Jack linked the Travis Scott. his theme music was never any song from the sound track. It was in house produced. Really don't think there was enough to say well that enough for a case to win.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Apr 25, 2022 18:56:53 GMT -5
Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records? In 1996, one of the billboards ECW would show during the commercial breaks said "ECW Would Like to Thank...." and listed 4-5 record labels. TB was one of them. No, ECW absolutely did not in any way have a deal with Tommy Boy Records. I contacted Tommy Boy Record in the aforementioned 2014 contacting of record labels and had it confirmed that they has absolutely no record of dealing with ECW, Paul Heyman, Stonehenge Media or any other company that was just Paul or an affiliate using another name. Further, 2 Cold Scorpio's "Whoomp There It Is" theme was NOT EVEN ON TOMMY BOY RECORDS. Heyman's depth for lying is bottomless. It's why I wish those WWE documentaries had done even the slightest amount of fact checking. Far as I can tell, the only actual interactions with Tommy Boy Records was Saturn having a cameo in a House of Pain video - which if I had to extrapolate was enough for Paul to create an illusion that they had some deal with Tommy Boy Records. As for the other labels, they're ones who ECW either used in the bumpers for or the music videos. These weren't actual licenses, Paul just took them. Some have speculated that Paul just intercut ECW footage into official music videos as a loophole to use the music (at the time no broadcasting network had to pay a single cent in royalties because music videos were seen as commercial promotional items, something that didn't change until 2008/2009 when the industry was in a tailspin) but no actual licensing deals were made. Watch The Authentic Untold Story of ECW on Peacock—Paul comes right out and says that the company didn’t pay for the mainstream music it used. He describes it as “ambient music” used on PPVs.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 25, 2022 19:12:58 GMT -5
No, ECW absolutely did not in any way have a deal with Tommy Boy Records. I contacted Tommy Boy Record in the aforementioned 2014 contacting of record labels and had it confirmed that they has absolutely no record of dealing with ECW, Paul Heyman, Stonehenge Media or any other company that was just Paul or an affiliate using another name. Further, 2 Cold Scorpio's "Whoomp There It Is" theme was NOT EVEN ON TOMMY BOY RECORDS. Heyman's depth for lying is bottomless. It's why I wish those WWE documentaries had done even the slightest amount of fact checking. Far as I can tell, the only actual interactions with Tommy Boy Records was Saturn having a cameo in a House of Pain video - which if I had to extrapolate was enough for Paul to create an illusion that they had some deal with Tommy Boy Records. As for the other labels, they're ones who ECW either used in the bumpers for or the music videos. These weren't actual licenses, Paul just took them. Some have speculated that Paul just intercut ECW footage into official music videos as a loophole to use the music (at the time no broadcasting network had to pay a single cent in royalties because music videos were seen as commercial promotional items, something that didn't change until 2008/2009 when the industry was in a tailspin) but no actual licensing deals were made. Watch The Authentic Untold Story of ECW on Peacock—Paul comes right out and says that the company didn’t pay for the mainstream music it used. He describes it as “ambient music” used on PPVs. Yeah, and the whole loophole of "As long as it wasn't coming through the main feed" or whatever constituting "ambient" is another lie and would never hold up in court. ECW was just too under the radar and the music industry was making too much money to care.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 25, 2022 19:27:13 GMT -5
Watch The Authentic Untold Story of ECW on Peacock—Paul comes right out and says that the company didn’t pay for the mainstream music it used. He describes it as “ambient music” used on PPVs. Yeah, and the whole loophole of "As long as it wasn't coming through the main feed" or whatever constituting "ambient" is another lie and would never hold up in court. ECW was just too under the radar and the music industry was making too much money to care. Yeah, ambient music would be if the venue was just playing the music... not like it plays when x makes their way to ringside...
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 26, 2022 0:28:12 GMT -5
Smoky Mountain is an exception because it was backed by Rick Rubin at the time. I think that probably helped them avoid legal issues? Maybe, but as far as I know, none of the artists SMW used for music were signed to Rubin's record label (American recordings) or produced by Rubin. Yeah, Rubin just told Cornette to use whatever since there was no real likelihood of legal problems for it. Worst case scenario would probably be a cease and desist, in which case they'd just... cease using whatever music it was. It wouldn't be worth it for anyone to take them to court, and yeah, a lot of them probably wouldn't, anyway, due to Rubin's involvement.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 26, 2022 5:54:53 GMT -5
Yeah, and the whole loophole of "As long as it wasn't coming through the main feed" or whatever constituting "ambient" is another lie and would never hold up in court. ECW was just too under the radar and the music industry was making too much money to care. Yeah, ambient music would be if the venue was just playing the music... not like it plays when x makes their way to ringside... And the RIAA would have come after them for even that. I remember in like 2004 or 05, they tried suing Limewire for more money than actually existed in the world.
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