adamclark52
El Dandy
I'm one with the Force; the Force is with me
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Post by adamclark52 on May 6, 2020 16:38:23 GMT -5
It’s too bad that timeline issues and real-life aging kept them from doing more with Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa. I don’t even know if casual fans would be able to piece together who he was until the very end of Episode III
But his final scene in Rogue One (which is almost the last possible scene you could have of him, aside from standing on Alderan in terror with everyone else) was good
Hopefully if there is an Obi-Wan series they can use some clever makeup to make him appear younger and he can be in it. I don’t want a recasting.
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Post by prettynami on May 6, 2020 16:39:38 GMT -5
I wonder if Luke and Leia ever had family sit down dinners with force ghost Anakin and really got to know him after Return of the Jedi. Granted, The Last Jedi made it seem like Luke hadn't seen Yoda in years, so maybe the ghosts just disappear when they not needed.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2020 17:09:55 GMT -5
It’s too bad that timeline issues and real-life aging kept them from doing more with Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa. I don’t even know if casual fans would be able to piece together who he was until the very end of Episode III If you define casual fans as people who've only watched the movies, probably not. Leia's full name is never spoken in the OT, so when Bail's introduced all you have to go on connecting the two is a common planet. Plus Leia being a princess would suggest her father being royalty, rather than merely being a senator.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 6, 2020 18:44:28 GMT -5
maybe the ghosts just disappear when they not needed. Three of them showed up at once just to watch a bunch of teddy bears dance and eat Stormtroopers.
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Post by prettynami on May 6, 2020 18:50:02 GMT -5
maybe the ghosts just disappear when they not needed. Three of them showed up at once just to watch a bunch of teddy bears dance and eat Stormtroopers. Hey, that's a once in a ghost time chance! Biggest party in the galaxy! I wonder if any of the rebels "accidentally" partook in that part of the feast... And the filmmakers totally should have had Leia be able to see the ghost at the end.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 6, 2020 19:27:54 GMT -5
I wonder if any of the rebels "accidentally" partook in that part of the feast You just know Chewbacca did and it wasn't accidental.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 6, 2020 19:50:40 GMT -5
Anakin was right, sand DOES get everywhere.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on May 7, 2020 0:44:27 GMT -5
"How come he don't want me, man?"
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 7:59:27 GMT -5
maybe the ghosts just disappear when they not needed. Three of them showed up at once just to watch a bunch of teddy bears dance and eat Stormtroopers. lol, but seriously that was like 20 minutes after Anakin died. In the old canon, at least, one of the first things to happen at the start of the "Star Wars Renaissance" (literally a few pages into Heir to the Empire) is Obi-Wan appearing to Luke "for the final time" - he'd presumably helped Luke along w/ his Jedi footing during the few years after ROTJ, but he didn't feel Luke needed him anymore. I wanna say Yoda may have appeared to him sporadically after that, but not much and it wouldn't surprise me (and yeah I'm totally mooshing canons together here, whatevs) if Last Jedi was in fact the 1st time Luke had seen Yoda in many years. No idea if Anakin ever appeared to him after the celebration scene.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 8:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 7, 2020 9:12:40 GMT -5
Was it Yondu? It was Yondu, wasn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 11:27:45 GMT -5
Her real father is the friends she made along the way.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 7, 2020 12:10:02 GMT -5
In the old canon, at least, one of the first things to happen at the start of the "Star Wars Renaissance" (literally a few pages into Heir to the Empire) is Obi-Wan appearing to Luke "for the final time" - he'd presumably helped Luke along w/ his Jedi footing during the few years after ROTJ, but he didn't feel Luke needed him anymore. I wanna say Yoda may have appeared to him sporadically after that, but not much and it wouldn't surprise me (and yeah I'm totally mooshing canons together here, whatevs) if Last Jedi was in fact the 1st time Luke had seen Yoda in many years. No idea if Anakin ever appeared to him after the celebration scene. Yoda never made an appearance after the celebration scene in the old canon, and thus far the new canon has only established his reappearance in Last Jedi. I figure as more of the intervening years get filled in he may appear intermittently. Anakin appeared a few times as a ghost in the old canon. Twice to Luke, once to Leia (who basically told him to f*** off), twice to Jacen, and once to Cade Skywalker. The old canon's handling of force ghosts seemed to change from writer to writer. Obi-Wan stuck around for a few years but was unable to prevent himself finally moving on to the "other realm", while other ghosts stuck around for hundreds of years.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 7, 2020 12:25:39 GMT -5
In the old canon, at least, one of the first things to happen at the start of the "Star Wars Renaissance" (literally a few pages into Heir to the Empire) is Obi-Wan appearing to Luke "for the final time" - he'd presumably helped Luke along w/ his Jedi footing during the few years after ROTJ, but he didn't feel Luke needed him anymore. I wanna say Yoda may have appeared to him sporadically after that, but not much and it wouldn't surprise me (and yeah I'm totally mooshing canons together here, whatevs) if Last Jedi was in fact the 1st time Luke had seen Yoda in many years. No idea if Anakin ever appeared to him after the celebration scene. Yoda never made an appearance after the celebration scene in the old canon, and thus far the new canon has only established his reappearance in Last Jedi. I figure as more of the intervening years get filled in he may appear intermittently. Anakin appeared a few times as a ghost in the old canon. Twice to Luke, once to Leia (who basically told him to f*** off), twice to Jacen, and once to Cade Skywalker. The old canon's handling of force ghosts seemed to change from writer to writer. Obi-Wan stuck around for a few years but was unable to prevent himself finally moving on to the "other realm", while other ghosts stuck around for hundreds of years. Force Ghosts, much like excessive Force powers felt like something that Timothy Zahn was always trying to pare down a bit; the Obi-Wan ghost scene in Heir to the Empire reads as him nipping in the bud the idea of them being able to always show up
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 7, 2020 13:12:46 GMT -5
Force Ghosts, much like excessive Force powers felt like something that Timothy Zahn was always trying to pare down a bit; the Obi-Wan ghost scene in Heir to the Empire reads as him nipping in the bud the idea of them being able to always show up The alterations in the new canon feels like a direct contrast to that. If you're functionally immortal as a ghost, can appear anywhere in the galaxy you feel like, and you can still physically interact with people and objects, why isn't how to become a Force ghost the first thing a Jedi learns?
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Post by Hit Girl on May 7, 2020 13:15:40 GMT -5
Force Ghosts, much like excessive Force powers felt like something that Timothy Zahn was always trying to pare down a bit; the Obi-Wan ghost scene in Heir to the Empire reads as him nipping in the bud the idea of them being able to always show up The alterations in the new canon feels like a direct contrast to that. If you're functionally immortal as a ghost, can appear anywhere in the galaxy you feel like, and you can still physically interact with people and objects, why isn't how to become a Force ghost the first thing a Jedi learns? JJ Abrams didn't bother thinking about that.
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Post by Cyno on May 7, 2020 13:26:58 GMT -5
Force Ghosts, much like excessive Force powers felt like something that Timothy Zahn was always trying to pare down a bit; the Obi-Wan ghost scene in Heir to the Empire reads as him nipping in the bud the idea of them being able to always show up The alterations in the new canon feels like a direct contrast to that. If you're functionally immortal as a ghost, can appear anywhere in the galaxy you feel like, and you can still physically interact with people and objects, why isn't how to become a Force ghost the first thing a Jedi learns? Apparently it was something really obscure at the time. It's implied Qui-Gon Jinn was the first Jedi to discover how to be a Force Ghost in ages since he was so in tune with the Living Force (which was in contrast with Jedi doctrine at the time and part of why the Jedi Council considered him something of a rogue). Yoda learned how to do it in the Clone Wars series, and the episodes exploring that and the metaphysical nature of the Force were some of the most interesting in that series and Star Wars in general. It even had Liam Neeson return as Qui-Gon's voice and Mark Hamill guest star as the spirit of Darth Bane, founder of the Rule of Two. It also had the first canon appearance of Korriban/Moraband and featured a number of places from KOTOR and SWTOR including the old Sith Academy and the Valley of the Dark Lords.
It's all-but-certain that Obi-Wan learned how to do it from Qui-Gon's spirit while in exile on Tatooine, and we might see a similar metaphysical experience in the Obi-Wan series. Luke probably learned it from his masters' spirits in the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA. Though I do wonder how Anakin learned how to do it unless he could just do it on his own because Chosen One.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 7, 2020 13:43:10 GMT -5
The alterations in the new canon feels like a direct contrast to that. If you're functionally immortal as a ghost, can appear anywhere in the galaxy you feel like, and you can still physically interact with people and objects, why isn't how to become a Force ghost the first thing a Jedi learns? Apparently it was something really obscure at the time. It's implied Qui-Gon Jinn was the first Jedi to discover how to be a Force Ghost in ages since he was so in tune with the Living Force (which was in contrast with Jedi doctrine at the time and part of why the Jedi Council considered him something of a rogue). Yoda learned how to do it in the Clone Wars series, and the episodes exploring that and the metaphysical nature of the Force were some of the most interesting in that series and Star Wars in general. It even had Liam Neeson return as Qui-Gon's voice and Mark Hamill guest star as the spirit of Darth Bane, founder of the Rule of Two. It also had the first canon appearance of Korriban/Moraband and featured a number of places from KOTOR and SWTOR including the old Sith Academy and the Valley of the Dark Lords. It's all-but-certain that Obi-Wan learned how to do it from Qui-Gon's spirit while in exile on Tatooine, and we might see a similar metaphysical experience in the Obi-Wan series. Luke probably learned it from his masters' spirits in the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA. Though I do wonder how Anakin learned how to do it unless he could just do it on his own because Chosen One.
Yeah, I can't remember if it was cut from Revenge of the Sith or if it was actually in it, but Yoda becomes Qui-Gon's apprentice and tasks Obi-Wan to learn from him while in exile on Tattooine. As for Anakin, I'm pretty sure there's some story out there about him learning about it after seeing Obi-Wan become one with the Force and Luke's love for him banishing the taint of the Dark Side that would have prevented him from retaining his identity within the Force.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 8, 2020 12:55:56 GMT -5
maybe the ghosts just disappear when they not needed. Three of them showed up at once just to watch a bunch of teddy bears dance and eat Stormtroopers. I choose to believe that Luke had an untreated concussion and was just seeing things.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 14, 2020 7:02:54 GMT -5
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