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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 9, 2020 15:33:41 GMT -5
Putting Jai Courtney in anything is your first mistake. He was really good in it. Though they should have went with that tremendous gag of him immediately leaving when Flagg tells them they can opt out. Instead he's just back in the next scene with a shrug. Imagine if that actually was his exit in the film, then he just shows back up in the new one and acts like it's all good despite abandoning them. Perfect for Digger, and hilarious.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 10, 2020 17:44:35 GMT -5
Ayer went full Snyder.
You never go full Snyder.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 10, 2020 17:50:59 GMT -5
Ayer went full Snyder. You never go full Snyder. At this point might as well add this shit to the Snyder thread
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 10, 2020 17:58:38 GMT -5
They need to just nuke everything related to the DCEU to shut these dumb f***ers up. Sorry Gal Godot and Patty Jenkins, sorry John Krasinski. There’s too much toxic waste surrounding your attempts to salvage this watery dump.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 10, 2020 17:59:23 GMT -5
They need to just nuke everything related to the DCEU to shut these dumb f***ers up. Sorry Gal Godot and Patty Jenkins, sorry John Krasinski. There’s too much toxic waste surrounding your attempts to salvage this watery dump. Na, i'm not nuking good stuff for idiots that is backwards
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Post by Cyno on May 10, 2020 18:46:14 GMT -5
Just pretend BVS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were bad dreams and go forward from there.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 10, 2020 19:11:31 GMT -5
A Steppenwolf reveal in Suicide Squad would have gone over like a wet fart. To that point he had only featured in a deleted scene in BatmanvSuperman where you couldn't even tell what he was supposed to be until someone told you first.
At BEST, you'd get people who actually follow comic movies really closely going "oh, ok."
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 19:21:57 GMT -5
All of those things sound like they would have been absolutely horrible.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 10, 2020 19:22:22 GMT -5
Just pretend BVS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were bad dreams and go forward from there. Just make them Elseworlds stories and we're good.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 10, 2020 19:24:05 GMT -5
Just pretend BVS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were bad dreams and go forward from there. I figure the James Gunn Suicide Squad movie might treat the first one the way that Birds of Prey treated it and all other stuff related to DC movies: keep any of the stuff that had some level of appeal (e.g. some of the people who were cast in certain roles doing well with what material they were given), shrug off the rest. Like, if they do get around to doing the Ava DuVernay New Gods movie, go ahead and just have Steppenwolf in there, because screw it, no need to think about him having been in Justice League. But for the Gunn Suicide Squad movie, no reason not to keep Jai Courtney as Boomerang, because he actually left a good impression in an otherwise bad movie.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 10, 2020 19:24:05 GMT -5
A Steppenwolf reveal in Suicide Squad would have gone over like a wet fart. To that point he had only featured in a deleted scene in BatmanvSuperman where you couldn't even tell what he was supposed to be until someone told you first. At BEST, you'd get people who actually follow comic movies really closely going "oh, ok." It's amazing how they flopped this at all levels. I'll give Zack Snyder the lion's share of the blame, but the studio absolutely made it impossible to get the ball going with their demand to get their billion dollar crossover immediately. "Get us Avengers money right now! Now now now now!" Never mind that Disney and Feige spent 2008-2012 earning that crossover.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 19:42:57 GMT -5
Really I have no earthly idea what they were thinking with going with Steppenwolf hoarding Mother Boxes as their plot for Justice League. One, it's so blatantly similar to the plot of Avengers that it's impossible not to notice, and two, no one gives any kind of a damn about Steppenwolf and he has no sort of name value whatsoever. Go with someone like Brainiac or Doomsday for your big crossover.
... For that matter if you're doing a big crossover, don't first put all the name heroes in a terrible movie together first. There's a reason Iron Man 2 didn't have Captain America in it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 10, 2020 19:52:15 GMT -5
Really I have no earthly idea what they were thinking with going with Steppenwolf hoarding Mother Boxes as their plot for Justice League. One, it's so blatantly similar to the plot of Avengers that it's impossible not to notice, and two, no one gives any kind of a damn about Steppenwolf and he has no sort of name value whatsoever. Stop me if you've heard this one. Magical artifact(s) on Earth and it's been there for an incredibly long period of time. A powerful shadowy figure sends down another powerful being and an army of aliens to retrieve his prize so he can use it to achieve his ultimate goal of mass annihilation. The heroes have to band together despite their differences to stop this villain and stop his plan to use the magical artifact(s) that will wipe out life on Earth.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 10, 2020 20:24:29 GMT -5
Really I have no earthly idea what they were thinking with going with Steppenwolf hoarding Mother Boxes as their plot for Justice League. One, it's so blatantly similar to the plot of Avengers that it's impossible not to notice, and two, no one gives any kind of a damn about Steppenwolf and he has no sort of name value whatsoever. Go with someone like Brainiac or Doomsday for your big crossover. ... For that matter if you're doing a big crossover, don't first put all the name heroes in a terrible movie together first. There's a reason Iron Man 2 didn't have Captain America in it. My brother watched Justice League and basically laughed whenever theey mentioned Steppenwolf and kept asking if he was going to take them on a magic carpet ride and the stuff. and people that know Steppenwolf know that he's not a major threat... at all... he was defeated by Superman that had no power and a broken leg at one point. Hell Braniac, Doomsday, the original thing they teamed up with as Starro... or hell start with Lex making the Legion of Doom. (granted that would require them to setup more than just Superman is a sociopath and Batman is old retired and crazy)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 10, 2020 20:48:38 GMT -5
Justice League would have worked with all the characters there if you'd done it sort of like the first X-men, where the team was all set up and you had an audience POV character joining ala Wolverine in that first movie. That's a case where putting Cyborg in would actually be a great fit as he's new to all of this so both on a story and meta level it works.
Failing that, Wally would work as that entry point character as well.
Thing is you'd have had to fundamentally gone about the whole enterprise differently. The Snyder approach wasn't going to work with that method.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 10, 2020 20:50:35 GMT -5
I'm now envisioning a JL where a wide eyed Grant Gustin Flash is stoked and intimidated to join a classic Supes Cavil, a grizzled but non psycho Batfleck etc.
Man, that would have been cool.
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Post by Cyno on May 10, 2020 21:57:01 GMT -5
I still can't believe the big bad of the first phase of the DCEU was Steppenwolf. How do you mess up that badly? It'd be like making, say, Kro, the big bad of the first Avengers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 10, 2020 22:06:32 GMT -5
I still can't believe the big bad of the first phase of the DCEU was Steppenwolf. How do you mess up that badly? It'd be like making, say, Kro, the big bad of the first Avengers. Because they blew their f***ing load using a Doomsday or a fake one in a movie he wasn't needed
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 10, 2020 22:13:49 GMT -5
Justice League would have worked with all the characters there if you'd done it sort of like the first X-men, where the team was all set up and you had an audience POV character joining ala Wolverine in that first movie. That's a case where putting Cyborg in would actually be a great fit as he's new to all of this so both on a story and meta level it works. Failing that, Wally would work as that entry point character as well. Thing is you'd have had to fundamentally gone about the whole enterprise differently. The Snyder approach wasn't going to work with that method. Yeah, if they HAD to rush it... making that isnt impossible... hell it's probably EASIER than Marvel. Since nearly half the roster is already super well known or at least known well enough that you don't have to introduce too much. Batman, Superman everyone knows. Wonder Woman is mostly known so maybe throw in a quick scene of the amazons to introduce her... hell you could probably use that scene to introduce Aquaman and Atlantis too. From there add Flash or Cyborg as the new guy joining as the audience proxy... and you can make a movie.
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Post by Heartbreaker on May 10, 2020 22:21:27 GMT -5
What the f*** is up with the DCEU that it makes people lose their minds!?
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