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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 9, 2020 22:01:53 GMT -5
On one hand, we've had too much Charlotte. On the other, blaming her for a big dropoff in the third hour is like saying it's her fault it got dark when the sun went down. WWE's got shitty retention and 3 hours Raws aren't doing it any favors, and haven't for years. In general, there's been too many of the same people in more than one segment on Raw and Smackdown, while others could use the airtime instead.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 9, 2020 22:55:08 GMT -5
You know this is somehow gonna came back as Asuka is not a ratings draw. Maybe if Charlotte had a different opponent.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 9, 2020 23:17:52 GMT -5
On one hand, we've had too much Charlotte. On the other, blaming her for a big dropoff in the third hour is like saying it's her fault it got dark when the sun went down. WWE's got shitty retention and 3 hours Raws aren't doing it any favors, and haven't for years. Her segments in NXT have a drop off too. It's a trend with her.
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Jun 10, 2020 7:12:49 GMT -5
Did this a month ago with the ratings for each of the four shows, and how their average ratings in the empty arena era compare to those from earlier in the year. Thought it'd be worth updating...
Raw - 2.2766 to 1.8232 down 453,400 (-19.9%) SD - 2.5172 to 2.1017 down 415,500 (-16.5%) NXT - 718,454 to 658,200 down 60,254 (-8.4%) AEW - 884,363 to 712,800 down 171,563 (-19.4%)
Through May AEW has recovered some of its viewers, while NXT has remained stable with the lowest drop. SD is trending downwards but slowly, while RAW's viewers are still dropping at the highest rate.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 10, 2020 9:14:17 GMT -5
Did this a month ago with the ratings for each of the four shows, and how their average ratings in the empty arena era compare to those from earlier in the year. Thought it'd be worth updating... Raw - 2.2766 to 1.8232 down 453,400 (-19.9%) SD - 2.5172 to 2.1017 down 415,500 (-16.5%) NXT - 718,454 to 658,200 down 60,254 (-8.4%) AEW - 884,363 to 712,800 down 171,563 (-19.4%) Through May AEW has recovered some of its viewers, while NXT has remained stable with the lowest drop. SD is trending downwards but slowly, while RAW's viewers are still dropping at the highest rate. No, it’s Charlotte!
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 10, 2020 9:14:58 GMT -5
On one hand, we've had too much Charlotte. On the other, blaming her for a big dropoff in the third hour is like saying it's her fault it got dark when the sun went down. WWE's got shitty retention and 3 hours Raws aren't doing it any favors, and haven't for years. Her segments in NXT have a drop off too. It's a trend with her. That hasn’t been true the last few weeks that I’ve seen Meltzer post the breakdowns. Charlotte may be overexposed but she’s not the reason ratings are tanking.
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 10, 2020 13:49:23 GMT -5
I really don't think Charlotte is the reason for the 3rd hour drop.
If it was Asuka in the same spot, everyone would just say "well, the third hour falls all the time anyway". I think the ratings are just in the tank no matter who they put on.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 10, 2020 18:05:23 GMT -5
I really don't think Charlotte is the reason for the 3rd hour drop. If it was Asuka in the same spot, everyone would just say "well, the third hour falls all the time anyway". I think the ratings are just in the tank no matter who they put on. Overexposing any talent will play a factor though. Yes she not 100% the reason by she is a part of it. Hell there is even a petition going around that says not to make her champion again. Yes silly but I don't recall seeing that with others in recent memory but it showing that there is a dislike of her being shoved down our throats. I get it a pandamic but damn even you making a crowd of fans. That says you can bring in more your roster. There is NO reason why we need her in two matches and promos on Raw. While people like Liv sit there doing nothing. She doesn't need to be on all 3 shows. Nobody does. More so when she not proven to ever been a draw as it is. Yet of all people they treating her as the face of the company.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jun 10, 2020 18:26:29 GMT -5
I really don't think Charlotte is the reason for the 3rd hour drop. If it was Asuka in the same spot, everyone would just say "well, the third hour falls all the time anyway". I think the ratings are just in the tank no matter who they put on. This just reminds a while ago that a common trend was if the world champion was someone you liked the bad rating was not their fault, but if you didn't like them it was their fault.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 10, 2020 18:27:25 GMT -5
I really don't think Charlotte is the reason for the 3rd hour drop. If it was Asuka in the same spot, everyone would just say "well, the third hour falls all the time anyway". I think the ratings are just in the tank no matter who they put on. Overexposing any talent will play a factor though. Yes she not 100% the reason by she is a part of it. Hell there is even a petition going around that says not to make her champion again. Yes silly but I don't recall seeing that with others in recent memory but it showing that there is a dislike of her being shoved down our throats. I get it a pandamic but damn even you making a crowd of fans. That says you can bring in more your roster. There is NO reason why we need her in two matches and promos on Raw. While people like Liv sit there doing nothing. She doesn't need to be on all 3 shows. Nobody does. More so when she not proven to ever been a draw as it is. Yet of all people they treating her as the face of the company. Yeah, which I think is the flaw in WWE's brand over star mentality. It looks good when your hot shit and everyone is over, but when your cold diaherra in a cup not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 18:52:42 GMT -5
Personally I think Charlotte likely didn't exactly help but judging by it being better than last week I wouldn't exactly pin the blame on her. That said, regardless of whether or not she's a draw it doesn't really change that I want her to stay off my TV screen.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 10, 2020 18:57:28 GMT -5
Charlotte's definitely not helping, but this week was especially bad because Charlotte and Asuka already wrestled in the opener prior to wrestling in the closing match, so there was even less incentive to watch the final match since both were already featured on the show.
And nobody would buy into Asuka finally beating Charlotte on a random Raw as opposed to being a featured PPV match.
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2020 18:57:33 GMT -5
I honestly think we’ve been past the point of blaming one person or one thing for the low ratings at this point. Yes, the pandemic hasn’t helped things and the atmosphere’s not there but at the same time, this has been happening for well over a decade now.
Charlotte being there or not being there makes about as much difference as if anyone who isn’t The Rock being there. Hell, Austin didn’t make a difference. The whole thing needs to be shaken up and not in a “OMG NEW BRAND SPLIT!!!!!!111” way.
Edit: And even with the pandemic and WWE doing shows anyway, this felt like WWE seeing how loyal their audience is and the answer seems to be “Not really loyal at all”.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 11, 2020 1:33:01 GMT -5
I honestly think we’ve been past the point of blaming one person or one thing for the low ratings at this point. Yes, the pandemic hasn’t helped things and the atmosphere’s not there but at the same time, this has been happening for well over a decade now. Charlotte being there or not being there makes about as much difference as if anyone who isn’t The Rock being there. Hell, Austin didn’t make a difference. The whole thing needs to be shaken up and not in a “OMG NEW BRAND SPLIT!!!!!!111” way. Edit: And even with the pandemic and WWE doing shows anyway, this felt like WWE seeing how loyal their audience is and the answer seems to be “Not really loyal at all”. Yeah, the WWE really needs to drop Vince and Kevin Dunn's iron fist. Throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks. Drop one of the hours or turn it into a pre-show or after show, or make it like nitro with the luchadors. Something that distinguishes it from the other two hours.
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Post by eJm on Jun 11, 2020 1:36:49 GMT -5
I honestly think we’ve been past the point of blaming one person or one thing for the low ratings at this point. Yes, the pandemic hasn’t helped things and the atmosphere’s not there but at the same time, this has been happening for well over a decade now. Charlotte being there or not being there makes about as much difference as if anyone who isn’t The Rock being there. Hell, Austin didn’t make a difference. The whole thing needs to be shaken up and not in a “OMG NEW BRAND SPLIT!!!!!!111” way. Edit: And even with the pandemic and WWE doing shows anyway, this felt like WWE seeing how loyal their audience is and the answer seems to be “Not really loyal at all”. Yeah, the WWE really needs to drop Vince and Kevin Dunn's iron fist. Throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks. Drop one of the hours or turn it into a pre-show or after show, or make it like nitro with the luchadors. Something that distinguishes it from the other two hours. Like, even though I’m still not comfortable with them doing shows (less now that it feels like the rest of the US is opening up rather than it being backdoor shit), it was the best chance to try new things and shake up your own formula and if ratings are down, you can just say “Eh, pandemic” and see what happens when crowds are back. But the fact it just feels like shinier round pegs in the same square holes as before doesn’t really make me hopeful. Even the cinematic stuff outside of two have fallen into the same holding pattern as the other stuff on the show which is just...well, sad.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 11, 2020 1:49:05 GMT -5
I hate Charlotte's booking with a passion and that's well documented and even I can say she's not the reason the third hour is doing so shit. The reason is that the third hour of RAW was shit before the pandemic started and now with it being in empty/PC Fan arena's it's even more f***ed. It doesn't help it's padding central almost every time.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 11, 2020 1:52:25 GMT -5
I hate Charlotte's booking with a passion and that's well documented and even I can say she's not the reason the third hour is doing so shit. The reason is that the third hour of RAW was shit before the pandemic started and now with it being in empty/PC Fan arena's it's even more f***ed. It doesn't help it's padding central almost every time. Yeah, and it's a vicious circle. The third hour is shit, so we stop watching the third hour, so WWE stops booking big matches in the third hour, so we stop watching the third hour.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jun 11, 2020 9:49:31 GMT -5
Three hours of television can be a chore to get through under the best of scenarios. Jamming clear and obvious filler segments into the show doesn't help. Having a stagnant creative philosophy hinders it more.
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Post by markymark on Jun 12, 2020 10:40:54 GMT -5
Breakdown: Opening (Bayley, Sasha Banks, Charlotte Flair, Asuka and the Iiconics promo): 1,761,000.
The Iiconics vs. Flair & Asuka vs. Bayley & Banks: up 124,000 (highest point of the show).
Interviews with Seth Rollins and Rey Mysterio: down 66,000
Austin Theory & Murphy vs. Aleister Black & Humberto Carrillo: up 22,000
Peep Show segment with Edge, Christian and Randy Orton: up 30,000
The Street Profits/Viking Raiders decathlon and Kevin Owens attack of Andrade and Angel Garza: down 77,000
Owens vs Andrade vs. Garza: down 17,000
Interviews with Kurt Angle, Drew McIntyre & Viking Raiders and the VIP Lounge: down 58,000
Viking Raiders vs. Lashley & MVP: down 84,000
Charlotte Flair vs. Asuka: down 60,000.
Dave on the main event : "The good thing is that it picked up interest late as the first half was down 131,000 viewers to a show low 1,503,000 viewers but the last 15 minutes picked up 71,000 viewers to 1,574,000 viewers."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:52:48 GMT -5
I am baffled that these stupid sports segments are still happening when they're a ratings loser every single week.
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