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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2021 21:02:55 GMT -5
It's worth noting that they aren't even hiring anyone new for Dr. Hibbert. Kevin Michael Richardson's done a number of voices already on The Simpsons. It fulfills the whole "minimum cast, maximum effort" thing of a sketch show.
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 22, 2021 21:03:31 GMT -5
Why not just hire whomever is most qualified for the job based on talent? As if
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2021 21:06:53 GMT -5
Why not just hire whomever is most qualified for the job based on talent? Because many talent-based industries have a long history of racism and "hiring the best person for the job" is often used as an excuse just to hire white people without even considering people of color.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 22, 2021 21:17:58 GMT -5
Why not just hire whomever is most qualified for the job based on talent? Because many talent-based industries have a long history of racism and "hiring the best person for the job" is often used as an excuse just to hire white people without even considering people of color. It generally applies to most industries, talent-based or otherwise. It's curious how often the "best person for the job" is usually white.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 21:18:59 GMT -5
Hiring the best for the job is such a shallow, ultimately meaningless statement.
Like, based on what metric? How are you going to compare countless candidates on a role that you really won't get much of an impression until, what, several seasons in? And even then, that would largely be subjective.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2021 21:25:28 GMT -5
Because many talent-based industries have a long history of racism and "hiring the best person for the job" is often used as an excuse just to hire white people without even considering people of color. It generally applies to most industries, talent-based or otherwise. It's curious how often the "best person for the job" is usually white. Yep. Meritocracy is a pipe dream until we've reached true equality and equity. And we are nowhere near either of those.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 22, 2021 22:09:55 GMT -5
Hiring the best for the job is such a shallow, ultimately meaningless statement. Like, based on what metric? How are you going to compare countless candidates on a role that you really won't get much of an impression until, what, several seasons in? And even then, that would largely be subjective. Of course it’s subjective. Because it’s a fictional thing that doesn’t exist until someone dreams it up. Who sounds best as Dr. Hibbert is subjective. Who can build a building to withstand an earthquake is not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 22:28:01 GMT -5
Hiring the best for the job is such a shallow, ultimately meaningless statement. Like, based on what metric? How are you going to compare countless candidates on a role that you really won't get much of an impression until, what, several seasons in? And even then, that would largely be subjective. Of course it’s subjective. Because it’s a fictional thing that doesn’t exist until someone dreams it up. Who sounds best as Dr. Hibbert is subjective. Who can build a building to withstand an earthquake is not. If I interview two people with similar backgrounds and the same general level of past success in earthquake proofing a building, then I won't really know who would be better. I'm making a choice and so many other factors come into play that it would be moot to hire one person, have them create an earthquake proof building, and then try to guess if the person I didn't hire would have made a better one.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 22, 2021 22:32:02 GMT -5
Of course it’s subjective. Because it’s a fictional thing that doesn’t exist until someone dreams it up. Who sounds best as Dr. Hibbert is subjective. Who can build a building to withstand an earthquake is not. If I interview two people with similar backgrounds and the same general level of past success in earthquake proofing a building, then I won't really know who would be better. I'm making a choice and so many other factors come into play that it would be moot to hire one person, have them create an earthquake proof building, and then try to guess if the person I didn't hire would have made a better one. Yeah, that’s the gamble. But if you hire one or the other, it doesn’t matter switch, based on skin tone, that’s racism. Even if you hire the black guy. But those are real people. Dr. Hibbert is a drawing.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 22, 2021 22:39:11 GMT -5
Just write him off or make him white if its such a big deal. He's a drawing, a fictional character thats been the same for 30 years.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 22, 2021 23:47:05 GMT -5
Just write him off or make him white if its such a big deal. He's a drawing, a fictional character thats been the same for 30 years. I dunno. Making the Indian guy or black guy or gay guy just imitate what the white did would make everyone much happier.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 23, 2021 0:27:17 GMT -5
Hmm, Kevin Michael Richardson also plays Principal Lewis on American Dad,,AD/Simpsons crossover confirmed!
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2021 3:18:11 GMT -5
Some of you have a really weird idea of what racism is.
Also, don’t make me tap the sign again!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 5:17:30 GMT -5
The whole drawing argument can easily be used to justify blackface. "What, it's not a real black person, it's a theatrical interpretation of a black person!"
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 23, 2021 8:38:53 GMT -5
Why not just hire whomever is most qualified for the job based on talent? It's possible to do both, unless you're implying only white actors have the chops to say a couple of lines on a show that hasn't been funny in 25 years.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2021 9:00:31 GMT -5
Oh, I fully get this. And it ties into The Simpsons history as part of a sketch comedy show. Modern cartoons rarely do that to anywhere near the same degree anymore, which is all the more reason I was fine with the Simpsons cast being left as is. I think we’re on the same page. The page is, especially for voice acting, your skin colour, sexual orientation, et al don’t matter if you’re the best for the job. If you don’t get it because of those things, that’s the true problem. I work in the indy scene of VAs and its a huge problem that minorities aren't given the same opportunities as white VAs. Most of the time we face the same prejudices as the real world workplace. Im lucky that my name sounds white enough to be pass as white. But I've heard enough white folk doing stereotypical voices for other races, that it infuriates whenever I hear its not a problem. Because it is, I've heard enough casting horror stories from POC VAs that you wouldn't believe.
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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Feb 23, 2021 17:24:13 GMT -5
I work in the indy scene of VAs and its a huge problem that minorities aren't given the same opportunities as white VAs. Most of the time we face the same prejudices as the real world workplace. Im lucky that my name sounds white enough to be pass as white. But I've heard enough white folk doing stereotypical voices for other races, that it infuriates whenever I hear its not a problem. Because it is, I've heard enough casting horror stories from POC VAs that you wouldn't believe. I'm genuinely curious how much things have changed in this Twitter-heavy era, where online anonymity isn't nearly as much of a thing as when I got started. I pretended I was an amateur/indie VA online from 2006 to 2013. I was technically "in" the studio/union TV cartoon world simultaneously and wasn't supposed to work outside of it, even though I only worked for free online. Because everyone offline knew what I looked like, I was instantly shuffled into the "call him when we need a black kid" box, even though I was popular for doing everything EXCEPT that online. The amateur online scene allowed me to audition for anything I wanted, and was my only means of practice for months on end. The rare times I did get my hands on a non-black kid audition for TV, usually through begging, I was sometimes met with "Wow! You're so versatile, I can BARELY tell you're a black person!" I finally broke out of my typecast in TV and now have a very successful career, but it's biases and restrictions like this that led me and others to sometimes believe that we just weren't good enough to even be invited to audition outside of the token ethnic roles. It's also worth noting that the majority of the casting directors are middle-aged white people. Years ago, a very accomplished Chinese friend using his genuine accent, was replaced by a white actor because he didn't fit the stereotype of what they felt a Chinese person was supposed to sound like. Needless to say, the end result was a joke, much like the "best actor always gets the part" argument.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2021 20:43:34 GMT -5
I work in the indy scene of VAs and its a huge problem that minorities aren't given the same opportunities as white VAs. Most of the time we face the same prejudices as the real world workplace. Im lucky that my name sounds white enough to be pass as white. But I've heard enough white folk doing stereotypical voices for other races, that it infuriates whenever I hear its not a problem. Because it is, I've heard enough casting horror stories from POC VAs that you wouldn't believe. I'm genuinely curious how much things have changed in this Twitter-heavy era, where online anonymity isn't nearly as much of a thing as when I got started. I pretended I was an amateur/indie VA online from 2006 to 2013. I was technically "in" the studio/union TV cartoon world simultaneously and wasn't supposed to work outside of it, even though I only worked for free online. Because everyone offline knew what I looked like, I was instantly shuffled into the "call him when we need a black kid" box, even though I was popular for doing everything EXCEPT that online. The amateur online scene allowed me to audition for anything I wanted, and was my only means of practice for months on end. The rare times I did get my hands on a non-black kid audition for TV, usually through begging, I was sometimes met with "Wow! You're so versatile, I can BARELY tell you're a black person!" I finally broke out of my typecast in TV and now have a very successful career, but it's biases and restrictions like this that led me and others to sometimes believe that we just weren't good enough to even be invited to audition outside of the token ethnic roles. It's also worth noting that the majority of the casting directors are middle-aged white people. Years ago, a very accomplished Chinese friend using his genuine accent, was replaced by a white actor because he didn't fit the stereotype of what they felt a Chinese person was supposed to sound like. Needless to say, the end result was a joke, much like the "best actor always gets the part" argument. Its getting better the newer generation of VAs are more comfortable calling out bad behavior since most are non union VA jobs so stuff like that wouldn't be tolerated
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Mar 1, 2021 7:10:50 GMT -5
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