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Post by eJm on Sept 27, 2023 13:59:29 GMT -5
Very Short Treks feels like what everyone expected Lower Decks to be like when it was first announced. Yeah! That’s a good way of putting it, actually. Like, I’m all for them as an idea and they have progressively gotten better (The Riker one was good in concept and Dana Snyder fits animated Trek like a glove) but it still feels like something that should have been much more of a homerun than it was. Heck, have the Lower Decks crew go back in history via hologram and make it more absurd (the trailer has them in one but it’s still feels like they should have been more of a throughline).
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 28, 2023 20:04:22 GMT -5
Another great one this week, show's really firing on all cylinders right now. {Spoiler}We need "Vulcan as a motherf***er," on a shirt.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 28, 2023 20:06:45 GMT -5
So watched the latest episode and, while I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I like the implications of it. {Spoiler}The idea that a single young, supposedly healthy Vulcan could subconsciously do that to an entire starship crew is really extreme. We've seen Vulcan characters in turmoil before, and they've never caused the kind of emotional chaos we saw here. Based on this Tuvok should've driven Voyager into total anarchy every time he had a 2 minute conversation with Neelix. I was really hoping they'd give us something more about what caused T'Lyn to do this beyond her simply being frustrated.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 28, 2023 21:49:19 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I love the bleeped-out cussing. Makes me laugh every f***ing time.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 28, 2023 22:07:34 GMT -5
So watched the latest episode and, while I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I like the implications of it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The idea that a single young, supposedly healthy Vulcan could subconsciously do that to an entire starship crew is really extreme. We've seen Vulcan characters in turmoil before, and they've never caused the kind of emotional chaos we saw here. Based on this Tuvok should've driven Voyager into total anarchy every time he had a 2 minute conversation with Neelix. I was really hoping they'd give us something more about what caused T'Lyn to do this beyond her simply being frustrated. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}This isn't entirely unprecedented for Vulcans. Sarek's uninhibited emotions threw an entire Galaxy-class starship into chaos until Picard and he mind-melded to get it under control. Granted, Sarek was also a very old, accomplished Vulcan who was suffering from their equivalent of Alzheimer's. There was also that Vulcan engineer in Voyager who wanted to mate with B'Elanna during his pon farr, and his emotions also affected her telepathically. T'Lyn is also someone who is pretty unorthodox for a Vulcan so maybe that plays into things, too.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 28, 2023 22:46:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}This isn't entirely unprecedented for Vulcans. Sarek's uninhibited emotions threw an entire Galaxy-class starship into chaos until Picard and he mind-melded to get it under control. {Spoiler}Which had this amazing exchange:
GEORDI: She's way out of your league.
WESLEY: Since when did you become an expert on women?
GEORDI: Compared to you, every male on this ship is an expert on women.
GEORDI: Well at least I don't have to find my women on the holodeck!
Poor LeVar Burton. You know you're almost beyond hope when Wesley f***ing Crusher is getting sick burns like that on your character. No wonder his only demand to return for Picard was for Geordi to have a family.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 29, 2023 7:05:36 GMT -5
So watched the latest episode and, while I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I like the implications of it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The idea that a single young, supposedly healthy Vulcan could subconsciously do that to an entire starship crew is really extreme. We've seen Vulcan characters in turmoil before, and they've never caused the kind of emotional chaos we saw here. Based on this Tuvok should've driven Voyager into total anarchy every time he had a 2 minute conversation with Neelix. I was really hoping they'd give us something more about what caused T'Lyn to do this beyond her simply being frustrated. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}This isn't entirely unprecedented for Vulcans. Sarek's uninhibited emotions threw an entire Galaxy-class starship into chaos until Picard and he mind-melded to get it under control. Granted, Sarek was also a very old, accomplished Vulcan who was suffering from their equivalent of Alzheimer's. There was also that Vulcan engineer in Voyager who wanted to mate with B'Elanna during his pon farr, and his emotions also affected her telepathically. T'Lyn is also someone who is pretty unorthodox for a Vulcan so maybe that plays into things, too.
{Spoiler}The thing is both Sarek and Vorik were suffering some form of illness, for lack of a better term, when those incidents happened. T'Lyn was just grumpy. And we've seen grumpy and frustrated Vulcans before (this seemed to be T'Pol's main character trait in the early seasons of Enterprise), and nothing like this has happened from it. There's nothing really to stop this from happening again if T'Lyn just has a bad day.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2023 16:15:34 GMT -5
Poor Tendi, she got caught in a retread of the first episode.
Overall, these have kinda stunk.
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 16:26:23 GMT -5
Overall, these have kinda stunk. I feel like I’m a fair guy with stuff, not quick to judgement and wanting to give most things a fair shake. If you look up “Wasted potential” in the dictionary, “Very Short Treks” would be the definition. Which is a shame because the animation and voice acting, totally on point but the writing drags this so far down. Besides the one I actually liked, they all feel like first drafts that were rushed through for the animators.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 4, 2023 16:28:58 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 16:31:10 GMT -5
As I said in the Prodigy thread, I’ll fight any Paramount exec that touches Lower Decks. One fist will be for Prodigy, the other Lower Decks.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2023 16:40:37 GMT -5
I feel like I’m a fair guy with stuff, not quick to judgement and wanting to give most things a fair shake. If you look up “Wasted potential” in the dictionary, “Very Short Treks” would be the definition. Which is a shame because the animation and voice acting, totally on point but the writing drags this so far down. Besides the one I actually liked, they all feel like first drafts that were rushed through for the animators. It's telling that the one episode anybody seems to have liked was the episode written by Prodigy's co-head writer. All the others, except for the mildy-received "Spock tries comedy" one, were written by Casper Kelly, who should be kept far, far away from Star Trek in the future. So, of course, he has a Star Trek comic book coming out this month.
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 15:32:24 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 10, 2023 16:00:26 GMT -5
I see no "Vulcan as a motherf***er" shirt. Money left on the table, there.
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 16:01:32 GMT -5
I see no "Vulcan as a motherf***er" shirt. Money left on the table, there. In Hindsight, having not seen the episode yet, you're absolutely correct. Silly Titmouse. Now you're leaving it to the TeeFurys of the world to pick up the slack and get the money!
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Post by eJm on Oct 12, 2023 16:27:30 GMT -5
New episode wasn't my favourite of the season but still a lot of fun because of three factors {Spoiler}BADGY!
PEANUT HAMPER!
AGIMUS!
So happy to see those three back, even in different sub plot forms. Interesting that the ship we've been following across the season hasn't been destroying the ship it encounters, it's been teleporting them away. The season's had a theme of preserving or categorizing in different ways (Voyager, the Ferengi planet needing the travel log updated etc) so it's sort of interesting.
Also, maybe Badgy will come back one day and let us know what that damn Koala knows.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 26, 2023 8:53:46 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Having the entire driving force of the show's main character be due to the events of the original Lower Decks episode is an insane, wonderful detail.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 26, 2023 9:22:43 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Well, I guess we can well and truly put to bed the (always flimsy) theory that Nick Locarno and Tom Paris are the same person.
And Thomas Riker survived the Dominion War. Good for him.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 26, 2023 17:49:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Well, I guess we can well and truly put to bed the (always flimsy) theory that Nick Locarno and Tom Paris are the same person.
And Thomas Riker survived the Dominion War. Good for him. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Berman, Taylor, and co. really liked Robert Duncan McNeill from "The First Duty," and wanted to bring him back originally as Locarno for Voyager. But then decided that it was for the best not to because Locarno's actions were irredeemable in their eyes. They wanted someone who was tainted, but had room for growth and redemption. And that's how Tom Paris came about. McNeill himself commented on how the two characters were entirely different: "Locarno seemed like a nice guy, but deep down he was a bad guy. Tom Paris is an opposite premise in a way. Deep down he's a good guy. He's just made some mistakes."
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 26, 2023 17:55:01 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Honestly I've always thought the idea that Locarno is irredeemable is just really dumb and not actually at all rooted in the episode he's actually from. Like yeah, he's kind of a smarmy asshole who spends a lot of the episode trying to cover things up, but at the end he does come clean and accept responsibility in an attempt to protect the others under him. That doesn't strike me as a heartless monster who you can't ever have grow as a person.
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