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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 19, 2020 20:47:56 GMT -5
As a Cincinnati kid...I’ll just throw Akili Smith in. There are 100 to pick from Yeah but Akili Smith was a bust.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 19, 2020 20:54:18 GMT -5
Joe Smith has a horribly dull name, was a #1 pick with a lot of controversy surrounding it. He certainly never lived up to #1 pick status, but he played 15 years or so for almost as many teams and most of those years were solid.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Aug 19, 2020 21:34:50 GMT -5
Joe Smith has a horribly dull name, was a #1 pick with a lot of controversy surrounding it. He certainly never lived up to #1 pick status, but he played 15 years or so for almost as many teams and most of those years were solid. I always laugh when I think of Joe Smith. Hoopshype had mini scouting reports for every player in the league back in the day, and the opening line of his was “Game as plain as his name.”
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 20, 2020 8:17:58 GMT -5
Alex Smith? Started his career extremely rough on some of the worst football teams ever (man oh man the Niners have fielded some crap teams between their two 2000’s Super Bowl appearances) eventually became a very good game manager and excellent bridge-man to higher-upside QBs. Alex Smith's biggest problem was: He's not Aaron Rodgers. I've always felt sorry for the dude. All he does is win games and get shit on for not being a Once-in-a-lifetime-all-time-great Talent.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 20, 2020 8:25:06 GMT -5
Alex Smith? Started his career extremely rough on some of the worst football teams ever (man oh man the Niners have fielded some crap teams between their two 2000’s Super Bowl appearances) eventually became a very good game manager and excellent bridge-man to higher-upside QBs. Alex Smith's biggest problem was: He's not Aaron Rodgers. I've always felt sorry for the dude. All he does is win games and get shit on for not being a Once-in-a-lifetime-all-time-great Talent. Early on in his career the 9ers also screwed him over. He broke his collarbone, came back the team doctor said he was fine, but the collarbone wasn't healed and Smith got hurt really bad again. I remember him taking or talking about legal actions against the team. 9ers also had 5 different OCs in his first 5 years as well
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 20, 2020 8:39:22 GMT -5
Alex Smith's biggest problem was: He's not Aaron Rodgers. I've always felt sorry for the dude. All he does is win games and get shit on for not being a Once-in-a-lifetime-all-time-great Talent. Early on in his career the 9ers also screwed him over. He broke his collarbone, came back the team doctor said he was fine, but the collarbone wasn't healed and Smith got hurt really bad again. I remember him taking or talking about legal actions against the team. 9ers also had 5 different OCs in his first 5 years as well You could make a movie about his bad luck and people would be like "this movie sucks it's not practical at all. That's some Hollywood fantasy bullshit."
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Post by rocket on Aug 20, 2020 9:05:21 GMT -5
Ken O'Brien was a 2-time Pro Bowler. But he's overshadowed by the fact the Jets took him when Dan Marino was available (nevermind the fact that draft class also included John Elway and Jim Kelly).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 9:30:53 GMT -5
Grant Hill isn't a bust tho as you said that's too strong a word. Imo you can't be a bust if injuries zap your career. Grant was supposed to be a superstar but ended up being an all star with unreached potential Andrew Bogut I think fits the description. He never became that cornerstone player he needed to be when drafted number 1 by the Bucks but he ended up with a productive career as a role player and ended up with a ring and key piece for the Warriors Yeah, Grant Hill definitely lived up to expectations for the first 5 or 6 years of his career here in Detroit.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 20, 2020 9:49:55 GMT -5
Grant Hill isn't a bust tho as you said that's too strong a word. Imo you can't be a bust if injuries zap your career. Grant was supposed to be a superstar but ended up being an all star with unreached potential Andrew Bogut I think fits the description. He never became that cornerstone player he needed to be when drafted number 1 by the Bucks but he ended up with a productive career as a role player and ended up with a ring and key piece for the Warriors Yeah, Grant Hill definitely lived up to expectations for the first 5 or 6 years of his career here in Detroit. Yea, people like Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway had their HOF careers cut short due to injury. Their primes didn't last as long but that doesn't make them a bust, just makes them something of an underachiever Someone like Derrick Rose would be the current day example of them. He won an MVP and was one of the best players in the league before injuries slowed him way down. He's now back to being a pretty good player who is still explosive enough to get to the basket but he doesn't have access to that next level gear that made him special. Still a serviceable sixth man who will have a spot in the league for a few good years which didn't seem to be the case when he went to the Cavs
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Post by greyfmdan on Aug 20, 2020 12:29:31 GMT -5
As a Cincinnati kid...I’ll just throw Akili Smith in. There are 100 to pick from Yeah but Akili Smith was a bust. Agreed. For purposes of this conversation, I thought more of Carson Palmer. Certainly he was one of Cincy’s better QBs, though for a #1 pick who was hyped to take the team to the proverbial Promised Land, he didn’t nearly live up to all that. How much of it had to do with injury, or coming up through a perineally-broken Bengals system, is certainly a valid discussion (and God only knows how far they could have gone if not for the ‘06 Playoff injury). But he definitely had a respectable career in Cincy, followed by a renaissance in Arizona.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 20, 2020 13:16:15 GMT -5
Shaun Livingston.
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Post by XIII on Aug 20, 2020 13:30:31 GMT -5
Surely Herschel Walker has to be the patron saint of this, played in the league for a long time and has respectable numbers but is only really remembered for being the centerpiece of the trade that created the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s,
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Post by sfvega on Aug 20, 2020 14:02:10 GMT -5
Yeah, that's more of what I think they're looking for. Some of these names are guys I've never even heard called busts. I've never heard Grant Hill be called a bust. Livingston and Bogut are perfect examples, as well as Ken O'Brien. Guys that are regularly called busts that had an underrated career.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Aug 20, 2020 21:09:39 GMT -5
Is he considered a bust? He was a #4 pick sandwiched between a bunch of nobodies. There are plenty of mid lottery picks who wind up to be JAGs in the league.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 21, 2020 0:24:07 GMT -5
This thread had me looking things up about Grant Hill. His dad was the NFL rookie of the year and a pro bowler 4 times. His mom, according to Wikipedia (so it could be complete bullshit) was a suite mate of HRC in college.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 21, 2020 0:52:03 GMT -5
Definitely not a bust in the traditional sense, which I guess is kind of the point here, but maybe Lamar Odom. Drafted fourth overall and was a key cog in a lot of good teams, ended up averaging 13 PPG or so and played a long time but probably not the production that teams hope for out of a top 5 pick. 🤷🏻♂️ In retrospect the sport is better overall that The Matrix Shawn Marion,Manu or Artest weren't drafted by the Clippers, as I think those players careers could have ended far worse then they did if they ended up with a dumpster fire organzation since all had games that needed coaching to adapt them to the nba. Whereas I think someone emotinally fragile like Odom being allowed to put up good numbers on a bad team with no pressure(since people were more focused on Olawakdani) early in his career is what he needed.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 21, 2020 2:04:03 GMT -5
Joe Smith has a horribly dull name, was a #1 pick with a lot of controversy surrounding it. He certainly never lived up to #1 pick status, but he played 15 years or so for almost as many teams and most of those years were solid. Yeah, he had a solid career, but you have to remember that Minnesota got in massive trouble signing him. Would you be willing to lose 5 1st round picks (one did get returned to them so it was only 4), breaking the rules to get Joe freaking Smith to sign for cheaper? Is he considered a bust? He was a #4 pick sandwiched between a bunch of nobodies. There are plenty of mid lottery picks who wind up to be JAGs in the league. Yeah, I've never heard Livingston called a bust. He was starting to look like he would deliver on the promise he had, but the injury stopped all that. Most consider him a good role player that came back from an injury that damn near ended his career.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 21, 2020 9:55:42 GMT -5
Is he considered a bust? He was a #4 pick sandwiched between a bunch of nobodies. There are plenty of mid lottery picks who wind up to be JAGs in the league. I don't consider him a bust based on the horrific injury he had. I thought he was coming along real well with the Clippers before the injury. Based on the hype he got coming into the league (which I feel was warranted) out of HS, some people have labeled him a bust because he didn't become a superstar. I'm biased because I am from his hometown and watched him grow up. I know him a bit (not well, but I did coach him in little league baseball, LOL..... heckuva talent in baseball too). He's a great guy and I was really happy for the success he had with the Warriors.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 21, 2020 17:22:03 GMT -5
Livingston was being questioned as a bust at the time of his injury, much moreso after. He was basically putting up Emmanuel Mudiay numbers before he went down while playing 30 minutes a game. He was one of the biggest prospects in a long time from around here, and yeah, he's been labeled a bust before and after the injury. Oden was called a bust despite injuries, Jay Williams as well.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 24, 2020 20:24:04 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio has been called a waste and a bust in the WWE. Yet is a multi-time World Champion.
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