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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 14:45:32 GMT -5
While we're on the subject, I realize that its young audience is pretty damn small but at least conceptually NXT's supposed to be their show for younger fans looking for something new. So why does this cartoony arcade game have no one from NXT on the roster besides Balor?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 22, 2020 14:51:44 GMT -5
It's a minor detail but I notice that The Rock has flaming fists while Stone Cold has electric hands despite the fact that Rock's gimmick is bases on him having electrifying charisma. And Austin's gimmick was partially based on consuming large amounts of alcohol (which is easily flammable).
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Post by horseface on Aug 22, 2020 16:55:32 GMT -5
If the Attitude Era marketing consisted of Hogan and Ricky Steamboat on the cover of everything, it would have been a joke, too. Hogan never had to fight Bruno Sammartino for advertising space. To build your new stars up to the level of the old ones, you have to at least portray them as being on the same level. Vince used to know this. They know their audience demographic numbers, they can see what effect this nostalgia overpush is having. People have said that clinging to the old timers wasn't sustainable years ago and now here we are, in a year Goldberg has held the world title again. Vince knows it still, but is also just so obsessed with nobody being bigger than "the brand" and possibly commanding their own popularity that they can use as leverage against him in the future. Those old guys are just safer for him to push in that sense.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 22, 2020 17:14:45 GMT -5
I'm kinda torn on it when it comes to Rock.
Because yeah, his prime years in wrestling were many years ago now. But he's a bigger worldwide star than ever.
If anything, I'd say knocking Austin off these covers would be a more solid argument.
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Post by DSR on Aug 22, 2020 17:15:33 GMT -5
It's a minor detail but I notice that The Rock has flaming fists while Stone Cold has electric hands despite the fact that Rock's gimmick is bases on him having electrifying charisma. And Austin's gimmick was partially based on consuming large amounts of alcohol (which is easily flammable). I was thinking since he's Stone Cold he should have icy hands. Yours works too, though.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2020 17:18:01 GMT -5
^^^^the last two post are kind of the point. If WWE worked harder at making their stars bigger now they wouldn’t need to use the Rock and Stone Cold 20 years on from their prime. Yeah but its a chicken and egg thing. The people who market these games are going to go for who has the biggest name value, it’s up to WWE to get the wrestlers to that point, you can’t put them on the cover of the game first and expect the booking to follow suit it has to work the other way around. At the same time, saying 'They aren't big enough stars so we're not going to actually use them in our marketing' becomes a self-defeating attitude that perpetuates the cycle. Think about how Becky suddenly become a part of marketing stuff the past year and how that represented them going all in on her becoming a main focal point of their show. Any concerted effort to make somebody a star needs to come with marketing. It's not necessarily a chicken and egg thing because they should be considering external media and promotional materials in and around the starmaking pushes. These should be happening simultaneously, and for the longest time they were.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 22, 2020 18:17:14 GMT -5
Yeah but its a chicken and egg thing. The people who market these games are going to go for who has the biggest name value, it’s up to WWE to get the wrestlers to that point, you can’t put them on the cover of the game first and expect the booking to follow suit it has to work the other way around. At the same time, saying 'They aren't big enough stars so we're not going to actually use them in our marketing' becomes a self-defeating attitude that perpetuates the cycle. Think about how Becky suddenly become a part of marketing stuff the past year and how that represented them going all in on her becoming a main focal point of their show. Any concerted effort to make somebody a star needs to come with marketing. It's not necessarily a chicken and egg thing because they should be considering external media and promotional materials in and around the starmaking pushes. These should be happening simultaneously, and for the longest time they were. Also, WWE has forgotten how to ramp up to things. When they're all-in, they go from Zero to Ten-Thousand. Becky deserved her push. Sasha deserves her current spotlight. But WWE skips the in-between steps. They just say "Hey! This person is important now!".
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Aug 23, 2020 1:00:54 GMT -5
If the Attitude Era marketing consisted of Hogan and Ricky Steamboat on the cover of everything, it would have been a joke, too. Hogan never had to fight Bruno Sammartino for advertising space. To build your new stars up to the level of the old ones, you have to at least portray them as being on the same level. Vince used to know this. They know their audience demographic numbers, they can see what effect this nostalgia overpush is having. People have said that clinging to the old timers wasn't sustainable years ago and now here we are, in a year Goldberg has held the world title again. Vince knows it still, but is also just so obsessed with nobody being bigger than "the brand" and possibly commanding their own popularity that they can use as leverage against him in the future. Those old guys are just safer for him to push in that sense. To me,at least,this mentality goes back to 2004, when Brock quit and went to the NFL briefly.
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Post by thegame415 on Aug 23, 2020 1:02:06 GMT -5
It kind of looks like Bruce Willis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 1:58:56 GMT -5
While we're on the subject, I realize that its young audience is pretty damn small but at least conceptually NXT's supposed to be their show for younger fans looking for something new. So why does this cartoony arcade game have no one from NXT on the roster besides Balor? Knowing 2k sports, the nxt wrestlers are probably going to be in as DLC or microtransactions.
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Post by thehottag on Aug 23, 2020 2:30:48 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with using legends to reinforce your brand, but when they are your brand, you have a problem.
WWE is reaping what it sewed a decade ago when they decided to sacrifice everyone at the alter of Cena & Trips. They can still make new stars, but it's going to take time for them to catch on - presenting them as second-fiddle only amplifies the situation.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 23, 2020 5:12:29 GMT -5
I don't believe anybody will buy a wrestling game just because it has Steve Austin on it instead of a current guy. Wrestling is such a niche interest, why not promote the current stars?
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Post by eJm on Aug 23, 2020 5:20:11 GMT -5
I don't believe anybody will buy a wrestling game just because it has Steve Austin on it instead of a current guy. Wrestling is such a niche interest, why not promote the current stars? I mean, if that was the case, they wouldn’t do it? If you’re not going to give your product the best chance marketing wise, then that’d be a weird thing to do.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 23, 2020 5:24:08 GMT -5
I don't believe anybody will buy a wrestling game just because it has Steve Austin on it instead of a current guy. Wrestling is such a niche interest, why not promote the current stars? I mean, if that was the case, they wouldn’t do it? If you’re not going to give your product the best chance marketing wise, then that’d be a weird thing to do. Maybe, but I just can't imagine seeing this game, recognising a dude from 20 years ago and deciding to buy it, even if you're no longer a wrestling fan.
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Post by eJm on Aug 23, 2020 5:29:24 GMT -5
I mean, if that was the case, they wouldn’t do it? If you’re not going to give your product the best chance marketing wise, then that’d be a weird thing to do. Maybe, but I just can't imagine seeing this game, recognising a dude from 20 years ago and deciding to buy it, even if you're no longer a wrestling fan. I’d say looking at the ratings for every time there was a legends special in the last decade probably counteracts that point because even if it just lasted a week, that’s still a significant amount of growth. Nostalgia is quite a marketing tool.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 23, 2020 11:33:13 GMT -5
I don't believe anybody will buy a wrestling game just because it has Steve Austin on it instead of a current guy. Wrestling is such a niche interest, why not promote the current stars? I mean, if that was the case, they wouldn’t do it? If you’re not going to give your product the best chance marketing wise, then that’d be a weird thing to do. Rock is kind of a special case, being as he's basically the biggest mainstream star there is, period (nevermind wrestling), right now. But other than that, yeah, there need to be more from the current roster used.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 11:52:52 GMT -5
Yeah SuperCard too. The Rock is front and center with Becky and Roman behind him
It’s a bit much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 12:19:21 GMT -5
WWE is pretty much Al Bundy, living off their 4 TD game in high school.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 23, 2020 13:08:59 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with using legends to reinforce your brand, but when they are your brand, you have a problem. WWE is reaping what it sewed a decade ago when they decided to sacrifice everyone at the alter of Cena & Trips. They can still make new stars, but it's going to take time for them to catch on - presenting them as second-fiddle only amplifies the situation. Just think, the disastrous "Raw Walkout" angle was over nine years ago at this point, a segment that did nothing but bury the entire roster outside of Cena, Triple H, and literally two other people (Sheamus and Punk)...and when did they do that "Cena and Orton vs. Literally the Entire Raw Locker Room" match? You just can't recover from shit like that without major, major changes in your booking and presentation.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 23, 2020 13:09:14 GMT -5
The Rock is the biggest movie star in the world and they have the rights to use his likeness in merchandise. I don’t blame them at all when it comes to games and toys and stuff.
The real problem is on the show when they have Austin, HBK or whoever show up and the younger guys are like in awe of them and it’s promoted like a bigger deal than anything else on the show.
Oh yeah a wwe title match is happening BUT RICKY STEAMBOAT IS HERE AND HE’S GONNA WAVE AT US! TUNE IN
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