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Post by The Barber on Mar 29, 2021 4:54:05 GMT -5
It might not be a great look, but the way NBC is handling it might be even worse. Removing some offensive segments “might be even worse” than the actual offensive segments? Lol come on. What are you laughing at? It is. The main reason is that 'offensive segments' are a judgement call and someone removing whatever they find offensive can lead down a destructive path *cough* political talk *cough*.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 29, 2021 5:24:10 GMT -5
Removing some offensive segments “might be even worse” than the actual offensive segments? Lol come on. What are you laughing at? It is. The main reason is that 'offensive segments' are a judgement call and someone removing whatever they find offensive can lead down a destructive path *cough* political talk *cough*. If you’re talking about a government censoring stuff, then absolutely. Not a corporation.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 29, 2021 5:25:20 GMT -5
I'm failing to understand why content is being removed from the standard, non-US Network that Peacock has zero rights to. Is it for the sake of consistency across the board? Otherwise, I'm failing to see why this is all of a sudden a problem when this content was available unedited for years. It's not even the fact that I'd miss certain content - a lot of stuff from the Attitude era has aged very poorly - but you're setting a dangerous precedent for censorship. A simple disclaimer stating that the content of each program is reflective of the time and circumstances it was produced under and does not reflect their modern corporate views would be more than sufficient. But no, hacking footage to pieces and pretending the bad stuff never happened will surely teach future generations why certain behaviors and ideologies are unacceptable. But circling back, I literally don't understand how Peacock having the rights to the service in ONE country sets the same changes in motion for the world at large. We're not getting the full story here and something feels really fishy about this whole thing. That ECW library is totally going to be different. What ECW library? It’s probably for consistency.
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Post by XIII on Mar 29, 2021 9:18:28 GMT -5
For those seeking consistency, you’re not going to get it. I’m sure that NBC has dozens if not more interns watching this shit(and probably not paying attention to half of it). Probably only the most egregious examples of racism, misogyny, and discrimination against LGBTQ will even get flagged.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 29, 2021 10:00:01 GMT -5
I'm failing to understand why content is being removed from the standard, non-US Network that Peacock has zero rights to. Is it for the sake of consistency across the board? Otherwise, I'm failing to see why this is all of a sudden a problem when this content was available unedited for years. It's not even the fact that I'd miss certain content - a lot of stuff from the Attitude era has aged very poorly - but you're setting a dangerous precedent for censorship. A simple disclaimer stating that the content of each program is reflective of the time and circumstances it was produced under and does not reflect their modern corporate views would be more than sufficient. But no, hacking footage to pieces and pretending the bad stuff never happened will surely teach future generations why certain behaviors and ideologies are unacceptable. But circling back, I literally don't understand how Peacock having the rights to the service in ONE country sets the same changes in motion for the world at large. We're not getting the full story here and something feels really fishy about this whole thing. That ECW library is totally going to be different. What ECW library? WWE only maintains 1 Network for every country it’s available in and then uses geoblocking for Canada and the UK where NXT is delayed 2 weeks. I’m guessing Peacock isn’t setting up a brand new archive for WWE they’re just tapping into WWE’s existing infrastructure, so any changes automatically get applied across the board rather then maintain an unedited archive for international as well as creating a new archive that’s NBC specific.
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Post by cjh on Mar 29, 2021 10:14:16 GMT -5
I'm failing to understand why content is being removed from the standard, non-US Network that Peacock has zero rights to. Is it for the sake of consistency across the board? Otherwise, I'm failing to see why this is all of a sudden a problem when this content was available unedited for years. It's not even the fact that I'd miss certain content - a lot of stuff from the Attitude era has aged very poorly - but you're setting a dangerous precedent for censorship. A simple disclaimer stating that the content of each program is reflective of the time and circumstances it was produced under and does not reflect their modern corporate views would be more than sufficient. But no, hacking footage to pieces and pretending the bad stuff never happened will surely teach future generations why certain behaviors and ideologies are unacceptable. But circling back, I literally don't understand how Peacock having the rights to the service in ONE country sets the same changes in motion for the world at large. We're not getting the full story here and something feels really fishy about this whole thing. What ECW library? WWE only maintains 1 Network for every country it’s available in and then uses geoblocking for Canada and the UK where NXT is delayed 2 weeks. I’m guessing Peacock isn’t setting up a brand new archive for WWE they’re just tapping into WWE’s existing infrastructure, so any changes automatically get applied across the board rather then maintain an unedited archive for international as well as creating a new archive that’s NBC specific. It's interesting you mentioned geoblocking. If you're in the U.S., they have removed the links that allowed you to sign up or renew your subscription, but you can still log in and watch the limited content that is on the free tier. My subscription ended, but I can still watch several WrestleManias plus a lot of the stuff in the Originals section. I believe Peacock and the regular Network are completely separate technology-wise. The edits made for Peacock didn't show up on the regular Network for several days.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 29, 2021 22:44:08 GMT -5
The stuff is still out there for anyone who wants to track it down. Racist bull**** shouldn’t just be left around for people to find.
The difference between old Loony Tunes stuff and WWE is that the disclaimer for Loony Tunes suggest that the material was “of its time”. Blackface wasn’t acceptable in the late 80’s and an old white guy using the N-word on TV wasn’t acceptable in 2008.
WWE knew better and did it anyway.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Mar 31, 2021 0:34:09 GMT -5
Trash.
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Post by cornettesracket on Mar 31, 2021 7:33:59 GMT -5
I know this is the thread for edits but has peacock in its history ever streamed something live ? I mean if there are issues with the live broadcast of wrestle mania this year then the annoyance over the edits will seem small in comparison. They need to get this right.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 7:52:20 GMT -5
I know this is the thread for edits but has peacock in its history ever streamed something live ? I mean if there are issues with the live broadcast of wrestle mania this year then the annoyance over the edits will seem small in comparison. They need to get this right. I'm pretty sure they've streamed sports in the past? Could be wrong there. They are planning on using it to stream the Olympics as well.
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Post by cjh on Mar 31, 2021 7:53:51 GMT -5
I know this is the thread for edits but has peacock in its history ever streamed something live ? I mean if there are issues with the live broadcast of wrestle mania this year then the annoyance over the edits will seem small in comparison. They need to get this right. They just streamed the FastLane PPV 10 days ago. It apparently was a good minute or so behind the WWE Network stream.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 8:13:00 GMT -5
I know this is the thread for edits but has peacock in its history ever streamed something live ? I mean if there are issues with the live broadcast of wrestle mania this year then the annoyance over the edits will seem small in comparison. They need to get this right. They just streamed the FastLane PPV 10 days ago. It apparently was a good minute or so behind the WWE Network stream. He means more before they streamed Fastlane.
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Post by cjh on Mar 31, 2021 8:18:08 GMT -5
They just streamed the FastLane PPV 10 days ago. It apparently was a good minute or so behind the WWE Network stream. He means more before they streamed Fastlane. He asked if Peacock has ever in its history streamed something live. The answer is not only yes, but WWE is already on that list along with soccer, etc.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 8:19:47 GMT -5
He means more before they streamed Fastlane. He asked if Peacock has ever in its history streamed something live. The answer is not only yes, but WWE is already on that list along with soccer, etc. And it was more the point of how were they doing with the live sports. Like, we already know how Fastlane went and the other stuff might build a better reference point.
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Post by cjh on Mar 31, 2021 8:46:28 GMT -5
He asked if Peacock has ever in its history streamed something live. The answer is not only yes, but WWE is already on that list along with soccer, etc. And it was more the point of how were they doing with the live sports. Like, we already know how Fastlane went and the other stuff might build a better reference point. I don't see why non-WWE events would be a better reference point, though. A soccer game, for example, would have entirely different crews, equipment, etc., that could create big differences even if viewership is the same as a WWE event.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 8:48:49 GMT -5
And it was more the point of how were they doing with the live sports. Like, we already know how Fastlane went and the other stuff might build a better reference point. I don't see why non-WWE events would be a better reference point, though. A soccer game, for example, would have entirely different crews, equipment, etc., that could create big differences even if viewership is the same as a WWE event. Because it's all going through the same server as WWE events would. If it's not been great with sports, it's not going to be that much better with something else and it all has to be fixed the same way.
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Post by cjh on Mar 31, 2021 9:27:02 GMT -5
I don't see why non-WWE events would be a better reference point, though. A soccer game, for example, would have entirely different crews, equipment, etc., that could create big differences even if viewership is the same as a WWE event. Because it's all going through the same server as WWE events would. If it's not been great with sports, it's not going to be that much better with something else and it all has to be fixed the same way. Yes, so the WWE event Peacock already streamed is a very good reference point for potential issues. As far as I know, the only specific issue with Fast Lane across the board was it being 1-minute behind the WWE Network stream. Some people have complained about issues with the Peacock app on their preferred device, with the Playstation 4 Peacock app in particular drawing complaints.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 9:29:22 GMT -5
Because it's all going through the same server as WWE events would. If it's not been great with sports, it's not going to be that much better with something else and it all has to be fixed the same way. Yes, so the WWE event Peacock already streamed is a very good reference point for potential issues. As far as I know, the only specific issue with Fast Lane across the board was it being 1-minute behind the WWE Network stream. Some people have complained about issues with the Peacock app on their preferred device, with the Playstation 4 Peacock app in particular drawing complaints. I didn't say it wasn't, was just more explaining that other frames of reference are good too since, again, they all go through the same server. The EVOLVE show WWE broadcasted was done by the EVOLVE team but it still went through the WWE Network servers. If they did badly there, well, they'd need to fix it for later in some way.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 31, 2021 9:58:25 GMT -5
Apparently my friend said that Todd Pettengil's voiceovers on WrestleMania 12 have been dubbed over by Michael Cole.
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