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Post by warden on Apr 19, 2021 22:32:20 GMT -5
It'll happen. Just give it time
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Post by Venti on Apr 19, 2021 23:22:30 GMT -5
I'd like to think Tony Khan knows better and has the sense to leave it be, but wrestling bookers just can't help themselves sometimes.
Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like the Impact promos he did. He has no screen presence and it felt like a cosplay of the old Vince McMahon Memphis heel promos.
Tony works much better being the level-headed company owner who can maybe step in if one of the heel EVPs gets too out of line, but is otherwise barely seen.
And if an angle is big enough, him making the rare appearance puts it over as something major.
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Post by deezy on Apr 20, 2021 0:09:00 GMT -5
I'd like to think Tony Khan knows better and has the sense to leave it be, but wrestling bookers just can't help themselves sometimes. Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like the Impact promos he did. He has no screen presence and it felt like a cosplay of the old Vince McMahon Memphis heel promos. Tony works much better being the level-headed company owner who can maybe step in if one of the heel EVPs gets too out of line, but is otherwise barely seen. And if an angle is big enough, him making the rare appearance puts it over as something major. I liked the first Impact commercial then after that it got old. He came off trying too hard to be funny. Definitely don't want to see that Tony Khan in a expanded role.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 20, 2021 4:40:40 GMT -5
The main thing is you keep the wrestlers the heels as opposed to the company. At the moment Kenny and The bucks are the heels, not aew. It has to feel that Hangman or whoever can beat them and go on to have a great reign with the losers vanquished.
WWE essentially made the company the top heel and that's the stage you wonder what's the point? Nothing can ever change. You beat the authority they're back in a slightly different form shortly after.
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 20, 2021 9:54:42 GMT -5
I'd like to think Tony Khan knows better and has the sense to leave it be, but wrestling bookers just can't help themselves sometimes. Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like the Impact promos he did. He has no screen presence and it felt like a cosplay of the old Vince McMahon Memphis heel promos. Tony works much better being the level-headed company owner who can maybe step in if one of the heel EVPs gets too out of line, but is otherwise barely seen. And if an angle is big enough, him making the rare appearance puts it over as something major. I liked the first Impact commercial then after that it got old. He came off trying too hard to be funny. Definitely don't want to see that Tony Khan in a expanded role. That’s what worked about the commercials for me, he has atrocious screen presence and acting ability so he came across so cheesy it was hilarious. Dude looks like a stereotypical wrestling geek, no way could I take him seriously as a legitimate on screen character.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Apr 20, 2021 11:13:54 GMT -5
Tony Khan has only been on screen "in universe" once, and that was for the Brody Lee celebration. If anything warranted it, that would be it. Otherwise? At best he should be like Jack Tunney where he shows up when it's absolutely necessary and then you don't see him again until next year. He was also in the debut episode of Elevation.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2021 11:53:39 GMT -5
It’s almost impossible to have a corporate champion without making the company itself the bad guy. The last 20 years or so, WWE has had so many evil GM characters that it makes it seem like WWE itself is an evil company run by super villains and assholes in kayfabe and most feel like they are run that way in real life too. It’s like WWE realizes fans hate them and double down on that rather than make positive changes.
At this point, no AEW fan wants to boo the company or Tony Kahn. It makes sense for him to be a heel character to a rival promotion. But him being an evil authority figure with a corporate champion would fail miserably.
Who knows, maybe in 10 to 15 years, if AEW falls into a rut and fans turn on Tony like they’ve turned on Vince, maybe it could work. It was easy for guys like Vince or Eric Bischoff to play evil authority figures because a lot of fans knew they were the bosses and hated them already and made it easier to boo them when they played their heel characters to the hilt.
But right now? It would fail miserably. And really I hope it would, because it would mean AEW would be a loved company you wouldn’t want to boo itself.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Apr 20, 2021 11:58:02 GMT -5
I can totally see either Cody or Max Castor being the corp champ, but I agree.
I see no need for evil boss Tony when literally every wrestling EVP can be that.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2021 12:01:09 GMT -5
I can totally see either Cody or Max Castor being the corp champ, but I agree. I see no need for evil boss Tony when literally every wrestling EVP can be that. I agree, those guys could totally flaunt there positions for heel heat while not making AEW or Tony himself the heel. I’d rather Tony be that neutral guy who has the ability to keep things in line.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Apr 20, 2021 12:53:05 GMT -5
Basically like everyone else said, there's ways to do the heel authority figure and their chosen champion, but AEW isn't in a position where it would make sense and it's also been run into the ground by other companies. I think they could do it well but not without some big changes, and I'd rather they didn't. Omega works because it's also a different company's executive joining him, and even that isn't so much "oh he's one of Impact's execs" as much as "he's a longtime friend to Omega who's also an executive". Best to give the trope a rest.
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Post by eJm on Apr 20, 2021 13:14:17 GMT -5
I liked the first Impact commercial then after that it got old. He came off trying too hard to be funny. Definitely don't want to see that Tony Khan in a expanded role. That’s what worked about the commercials for me, he has atrocious screen presence and acting ability so he came across so cheesy it was hilarious. Dude looks like a stereotypical wrestling geek, no way could I take him seriously as a legitimate on screen character. Same. Dude seems like a dork but a dork with power and letting it get to his head in a big way but also not in a McMahon way where he’d want to confront every star about it because even Tony Schiavone could probably deck him. I agree, those guys could totally flaunt there positions for heel heat while not making AEW or Tony himself the heel. I’d rather Tony be that neutral guy who has the ability to keep things in line. Tony also seems like a more subdued Dario Cueto in the way he does things for the sake of ratings and the fans but also because, well, he wants to see it. Like, Stadium Stampede just uses the ground of the team he owns and it both allows the two sides to fight but also, well, who wouldn’t want to brag about a first time match where Sammy Guevara can be chased by a golf cart AND a horse?
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 20, 2021 13:40:04 GMT -5
I don't know if I could boo Tony. Especially after the whole Brodie Lee Tribute Show, and him giving Brodie Jr. such an emotional hug.
I still tear up thinking about that moment. That whole group knew the severity of Brodie's illness, but kept it quiet, even if it was tearing them up inside. It had to feel almost like a release that night.
Also, I feel the whole "Evil Corporation" in wrestling has been done to death.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 20, 2021 13:53:01 GMT -5
That's ultimately the problem with heel authority figures: there's no way to get comeuppance. Even if you beat them in a feud, they don't actually lose anything. Or even if they do get banished to the Shadow Realm or something, you have a chickenshit way of bringing them back like Seth Rollins threatening to break Edge's neck unless Cena lets Triple H and Stephanie come back.
And just making the company itself the top heel always comes off as counter-productive. Austin vs. Vince McMahon was the exception to the rule and even that ran its course. Having that mentality towards an up-and-coming company like AEW that people want to support as a viable alternative to WWE would be really bad to have. I think that's a big part of what hurt TNA out the gate with Jeff Jarrett being the pre-Carter co-owner and also one of the top heels and in the mix for the NWA World Championship (and Russo being Russo of course).
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 20, 2021 15:10:58 GMT -5
I’m hoping they never give us a Punjabi Prison match or a steel stairs match. Tony Khan as the oblivious evil authority figure might be kinda funny at some point.
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