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Post by sportatorium on May 18, 2021 20:12:37 GMT -5
Sting- Pins Hogan at Starrcade. One rematch that Sting also wins to blow off the feud. The NWO disintegrate with Hogan no longer champ, maybe culminate with War Games which could end it completely.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 18, 2021 21:27:32 GMT -5
The problem here is that whatever any of us would do with phasing out or splitting the nWo would be wholly irrelevant, because Hogan and Nash would need to okay it. So, no matter how great of an idea it is for Hogan to f*** off from the main event for a couple months to let other stories play out, if he doesn't want to, you have to make sure whatever you've got planned strokes his ego well enough.
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Post by Wilfred on May 18, 2021 21:40:36 GMT -5
The problem here is that whatever any of us would do with phasing out or splitting the nWo would be wholly irrelevant, because Hogan and Nash would need to okay it. So, no matter how great of an idea it is for Hogan to f*** off from the main event for a couple months to let other stories play out, if he doesn't want to, you have to make sure whatever you've got planned strokes his ego well enough. Well yeah. But this isn’t real life. We’re playing fantasy booking here. Haha the question was how you would end the nWo, not how would you navigate the politically shark infested waters of WCW’s locker room to soothe the egos of Hogan and Nash to get them to do what you want.
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 18, 2021 21:54:21 GMT -5
The problem here is that whatever any of us would do with phasing out or splitting the nWo would be wholly irrelevant, because Hogan and Nash would need to okay it. So, no matter how great of an idea it is for Hogan to f*** off from the main event for a couple months to let other stories play out, if he doesn't want to, you have to make sure whatever you've got planned strokes his ego well enough. Well yeah. But this isn’t real life. We’re playing fantasy booking here. Haha the question was how you would end the nWo, not how would you navigate the politically shark infested waters of WCW’s locker room to soothe the egos of Hogan and Nash to get them to do what you want. Yeah but if you separate realities completely from a hypothetical then what's the point? Like I could just say the nWo ends with Steve Austin coming back to WCW & stunning Hulk Hogan. If it doesn't have to fit any confines or limitations what's the fun of the exercise?
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Post by Wilfred on May 18, 2021 22:16:58 GMT -5
Tell that to any wrestling fan ever who booked things in their head. Probably because it’s fun?
This is a fantasy booking scenario... that’s all I got for you man.
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 18, 2021 22:23:50 GMT -5
Tell that to any wrestling fan ever who booked things in their head. Probably because it’s fun? This is a fantasy booking scenario... that’s all I got for you man. But challenge is what makes games enjoyable, having limitations to overcome. If not for that "meh".
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Post by doinkmark on May 18, 2021 22:27:51 GMT -5
Bash At The Beach 98. 2 year NWO anniversary. Best Of 7 Series Winner Take All. It all comes down to the undefeated Goldberg vs Hogan. Goldberg wins, NWO is done.
Next night on Nitro, some NWO guys form The Wolfpack, trying to restart the NWO on a technicality. But not everyone goes for it, so now you've got your unofficial NWO in-fighting and feuds and can still sell Wolfpack shirts.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 18, 2021 22:30:06 GMT -5
It's still going?
Holy shit!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 10:15:19 GMT -5
In late 1998 I would have the Wolfpac pretty much not even repping NWO anymore.Theyd have shirts like that one with the big wolf face on front with no NWO references on it, and then their further t shirts would just be red and black wolf themed stuff.
And by this point, things have reached a boiling point between Wolfpac and NWO. As others have suggested, this leads to a War Games match. The losing team must disband. During the War Games match, Scott Hall turn face and betrays the NWO, so Hogans ego won't be as hurt IRL from losing, and Hall not being in the Wolfpac was stupid anyway.
Then the Wolfpac is top baby face stable and they begin feuding with The Flock (it was actually teased for a couple weeks on Nitro IRL but nothing came of it).
Hogan disappears for a few months but then when he comes back he has Horace, the Disciple, and maybe Mike Awesome (if the timeline of when Awesome went to WCW lines up). They could be called Team Hollywood or something.
Then later on, if they have to bring the NWO back in WWE, you don't announce it ahead of time. You have the OG three attack out of nowhere on No Way Out.
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Post by nisidhe on May 19, 2021 11:16:21 GMT -5
I think Sting beating Hogan at Starrcade should have been the beginning of the end. Now, here's where it gets interesting.
The entire debacle over the "fast count" was apparently an effort by Hogan to control the narrative by having Nick Patrick count normally, so that a debuting Bret Hart would look weak on his run-in and takeover as referee. What if, instead, Patrick _had_ counted fast on Hall and Nash's orders to bring Hart into play as the interloper?
Hart becomes Hogan's nemesis - a situation Hogan himself did not want in real life because he knew he'd have to put Hart over. As the dust settles, we see Hall and Nash telling Hogan that he was never the absolute leader of the nWo and that he'd become a liability by bringing in the cronies and weakening the message; bringing Hart in instead as the "Real Third Man". They then toss out Bischoff as a "hanger-on" with no real authority and eliminate most of the deadwood.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on May 20, 2021 4:13:09 GMT -5
Winner take all wargames, like others have suggested.
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Post by thecrusherwi on May 20, 2021 8:49:30 GMT -5
I really don't have much of a problem with how they did in 1998. The NWO brand was still over so it made sense to continue it. And they kept Hogan in the main events (which is basically what his contract required) but had other guys feuding for the belt. Hogan was still prominently featured, but the top of the card felt more fresh than it did in 1997.
I would have had everything through Starrcade 1998 exactly the same. Knowing that you have to use Hogan, I would have had Hogan and Nash booked just like it was, but have Hogan win the title when the rest of the Red and Black betrays Nash. Goldberg comes out to try and help him, but accidentally spears Nash and costs him the belt. I would even put Sting in the new NWO (on account of his friendship with Luger and his distrust of Nash and Goldberg). Then you have a stronger unified NWO and uneasy, but super over, babyface alliance of Nash, Goldberg, and the Horsemen. You have lots of tension between Nash and Goldberg, because neither quite trusts the other that they aren't secretly working with the NWO. I also would have Scott Hall initially in neither group and have him be affecting matches rouge so that you have no idea who's side he's on. This can all probably take you halfway through the year. You could have Hogan and Flair feuding for the belt while Nash and Goldberg settle individual scores. Eventually, based on crowd reaction, you have either Nash or Goldberg turn heel and take over the NWO as their leader with Scott Steiner as the second. Hogan gets kicked out completely. For this purpose, I actually think Goldberg would be better as the heel leader of the NWO. Two reasons - 1) I think the crowd would have turned on him easier, making the NWO brand less cool, 2) him as the leader would be so disruptive, that I think it would be easier to end. He and Scott Steiner would clash a lot and they both could test the lesser members of the NWO until they throw them out one by one. "The NWO has lots of dead weight, if you can't beat me/Scott tonight, you're out" Eventually, it would lead to a WarGames at Starrcade 1999 with the NWO having to disband if they lose. If they win, they get control of Flair's WCW presidency. Have the NWO Team be Goldberg, Steiner, and 3 others vs. Nash, Flair, Benoit, Bret/Savage/Sid/Scott Hall/whoever, and their mystery partner - Hogan. Team WCW wins, the NWO disbands. Then you can go wherever you want.
Again, this is not perfect, but seems realistic given the booking limitations.
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Post by sfvega on May 20, 2021 9:44:53 GMT -5
Nash, who would not have done the FPoD, feuds with Hogan in the first quarter of 1999, ending in a blowoff match where one group has to disband. Nash powerbombs Hogan, wins clean, NWO dies off, and Wolfpac no longer use NWO in their name. Then DDP takes the belt off Nash at BATB.
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Post by dgenerationmc on Jun 2, 2021 2:38:43 GMT -5
- FPOD still happens
- Goldberg beats and injures/scares off most of the nWo including: Luger at Souled Out, Hall at Superbrawl and Steiner at Slamboree before getting injured himself after the last match from a Bret Hart chair shot
- No Hogan/Flair double turn, please God no. They only wrestle once and it's where Flair beats Hogan for the title at Uncensored in an "I Quit" Match; As WCW President, Flair quickly vacates it and DDP wins it at Spring Stampede against Hogan, Nash and Goldberg
- Nash gets the title back at GAB and then beats Flair in a Title vs. Presidency Match at BATB thanks to Savage and Sid, who are bitter that WCW refused to rehire them but aren't with the nWo
- Goldberg returns to beat Savage at Road Wild, where the also returning Hogan forces Nash to give him a shot which nearly ends up being a FOPD sequel until Nash goes "off-script" by quickly powerbombing Hogan and having the ref make the quick count; After squabbling for a minute, Hogan and Nash get back on the same page when Goldberg attacks only for Sid to make the save as he officially joins the nWo, now rebuilding with 3 active members
- Winner Take All War Games Match occurs at Fall Brawl pitting Goldberg, Sting, DDP and Benoit against Nash, Hogan, Bret and Sid; Flair was set to be on Team WCW but was found injured backstage at the hands of presumably the nWo (later revealed to be Shane Douglas and The Revolution); Due to a locker room vote, Benoit is chosen to take Naitch's place; Bret is not revealed to be the nWo's fourth man until he enters last; DDP turns on WCW out of selfishness by Diamond Cutting Goldberg and leaving the match after months of tension due to Page's World Title reign going to his head; Luger returns and slides a bat into the cage for Sting, which is intercepted by Bret; All hope is lost until Bret turns on the nWo, hitting them all with the bat to allow Benoit to submit Hogan with the Crossface; As a result, WCW Nitro does not become nWo Nitro permanently and Nash is no longer President
- The next night on Nitro, a furious Nash is goaded into putting his title on the line against Bret, who wins the belt and dedicates it to Owen; Sting seemingly turns heel by accepting Luger's help at Havoc to beat Bret for the belt at Havoc, getting revenge for the previous year; Goldberg beats Hogan at Halloween Havoc to officially disband the nWo; Hogan turns face when Hall & Nash turn on him afterwards but Goldberg makes the save and they pose together; After Goldberg leaves the ring for Hogan to tease retirement, Jeff Jarrett returns and lays Hulk out with a guitar to end the show
- Sting drops the belt back to Bret at Mayhem in Canada, turning back face by refusing Lex's help and letting bygones be bygones with Bret afterwards; Goldberg wins the Mayhem tournament by beating Nash in the finals, thus defeating every member of the nWo and earning a shot at Bret's World Title at Starrcade;
- Benoit's push continued by beating Hall during the tourney only for Nash to eliminate him in the semis; Benoit beats Nash in their rematch at Starrcade; Sid turns face by continuing his undefeated streak in retaining the US Title against DDP; Sting retires Lex, overcoming Liz's betrayal; Goldberg beats Bret to become a 2-time champ and they shake hands afterwards as the 3-year darkness in WCW is over and competition all around has taken it's place
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 2, 2021 8:32:33 GMT -5
I've written this idea out before, but the context is that I realize you have to navigate a lot of egos, and accept the reality that as of '98 Hogan was still a pretty damn big draw for WCW, so you can't just sideline him right away...while at the same time the presence of Hogan and those other egos at the top meant it was going to be tough to keep those draw numbers high after awhile when the next generation has been held back from rounding into top stars.
I've always said that you let the start of '98 play out close to the way it actually did, but you play up that Hogan's angry at the rest of the nWo for not doing an effective job in helping him get the belt back from Sting. Hogan eventually gets his chance, whether against Sting or Randy Savage (the way it actually went down), but plays up that he'll get help from "outside the family" if need be, resulting in Bret Hart's turn and him helping Hogan get the belt...again, largely as things played out on screen. Wolfpac forms, Hart's adjacent to the nWo without officially being a member, etc.
Again, though, Hogan starts viewing Bret as his right hand man and consigliere...well, duh, also his hitman to take out targets who'd threaten him. You obviously don't have Bret derail, say, Goldberg or DDP, but you have him go over some near contenders where his intent is to injure, kind of like he did to Sting in '98, and have him as the main guy who interferes to keep Hogan champion. It gets to the point where Bret is the only guys in the nWo Hogan fully trusts; he's still bitter at the others for not "having his back" enough, and he now sees Hart as his most effective weapon.
This leads to Hogan eventually losing to Goldberg...again, mostly as it happened on screen, but it's played up that for some reason or another Hart couldn't interfere, perhaps because certain someones kept him away, attacked him backstage, whatever, just something where now Hogan's best weapon couldn't help him.
Naturally, all of this ends up being part of Hart's grand design: he doesn't just want to be WCW champion, he wants to take the nWo from Hogan, and now he's got Hogan in the most vulnerable mental spot he can put him, since he demonstrated his value, then set things up so he wouldn't interfere in the Goldberg match, leaving Hogan shook and thinking he needs Hart in order to win, leaving him still angry and paranoid at most of the rest of his crew, which potentially leaves to some members leaving, being attacked, or something else to show that all is not well in Hogan's head.
Jump to War Games; I know it was WCW vs. nWo vs. Wolfpac, and maybe it can stay like that, or maybe they just do nWo vs. Wolfpac, I don't know. Either way, Hart's on Hogan's team, but once everyone's in the match, that's when the signal is sent: you have someone like, say, Curt Hennig attack the Wolfpac (I know, he was black and white by this point, but this is my rewrite and I'll keep him red and black for the time being) with an assist from Rude, while someone like Benoit attacks his WCW teammates (could be someone else, but again, just a first thought).
Hogan starts laughing maniacally as his biggest opponents are imploding in front of him, he throws an arm around Hart in celebration...and Bret just gives him the biggest stink eye you can imagine, waits 'til Hogan turns around, and then blasts him with a chair. The fix was in all along: Hogan's paranoia already had numerous nWo members thinking that he was slipping, Hart stepped in and demonstrated scary competence, so Hart triggers a mutiny within the group while also embedding allies on the other teams, leading to the formation of a nWo shaped in his image, with War Games serving as a "Red Wedding" kind of environment.
Now you consider taking Hogan off TV for a little while (again, close to what happened in real life). From there, you can figure out how you want things to go, but the main storylines are Goldberg's continued rise and Nash leading the Wolfpac against Hart's new team, which includes guys like Hennig, maybe Benoit, and other guys from the old black and white he still considers useful, along with some new turncoats from WCW; this serves to bring the numbers down a bit and shift the nWo away from being an invading army that has dozens of members to being a more streamlined, though still quite large, heel stable. Nash and Hart obviously are fighting for the chance to dethrone Goldberg, too.
Then you get to the point where Hogan makes his return early the next year; have him do a face turn that mirrors his original Bash at the Beach '96 heel turn where he helps Goldberg retain the title, and eventually set up Hogan vs. Hart at Starrcade '99, which probably doesn't even need to be for the belt at that point.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 2, 2021 8:53:57 GMT -5
Alex Wright and Disco Inferno destroy the NWO using the power of dance
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Post by corndog on Jun 2, 2021 11:30:37 GMT -5
It is interesting, because Sting beating Hogan and winning the title felt like the beginning of the end. You even had Nash and Savage start to challenge Hogan's leadership, so it was starting to head the right direction. Even the Wolfpac split, wasn't a bad idea, I just didn't like Sting and Luger joining the group. I felt someone like Jericho or another up and coming, heel midcarder would have made more sense and Hall definitely should have been in the group. Also it wouldn't have been so terrible if it didn't all end up with the Fingerpoke of Doom. At least the original Fingerpoke of Doom with HHH/HBK made sense, this was just two egos throwing away a blow off for a feud that nearly lasted a year.
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 4, 2021 22:30:14 GMT -5
With a lot of pure fantasy booking situations, ironically, I would've ended it on the 1/4/99 Nitro with NWO Hollywood leaving Hogan behind to lose a rematch against Goldberg.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jun 5, 2021 7:28:24 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 5, 2021 9:00:51 GMT -5
The biggest issue was they should have had Hogan/Sting at Bash at the Beach, and then had Hogan vs Sting at Starrcade, title vs stable.
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