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Post by oxbaker on May 2, 2022 15:45:27 GMT -5
What or who is a Roddy that's not Piper? I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 2, 2022 15:47:44 GMT -5
I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have. Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. He could be great for the ROH roster plus he has built in history with some of their existing talent. I would advocate letting other contracts expire simultaneously to make room for him but he would add some name value (especially to ROH), put on great TV matches, and accelerate the development of the younger guys who work with him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 2, 2022 15:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by chronocross on May 2, 2022 15:53:55 GMT -5
I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. It's cool none taken, I see that happening based off them signing Bobby Fish/Kyle O'Reilly in the past so they can reunite their stable that they had in NXT. I wish AEW would just hold off on signing almost everyone that becomes a free agent but that's just me.
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Post by Legion on May 2, 2022 15:53:56 GMT -5
I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. Name value and the ability to have the whole of the UE - the group once touted to be the New DX and the future of WWE - all with you and not with them. It makes for a good story and potentially the talent will be happier. None of the UE already in AEW are in a better place than they were in WWE, you could even argue they are in a worse place in terms of card position and prominence on the show, but it's still downright embarrassing how much time was dedicated to that group and now they're all gone bar one
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 2, 2022 15:59:32 GMT -5
No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. Name value and the ability to have the whole of the UE - the group once touted to be the New DX and the future of WWE - all with you and not with them. It makes for a good story and potentially the talent will be happier. None of the UE already in AEW are in a better place than they were in WWE, you could even argue they are in a worse place in terms of card position and prominence on the show, but it's still downright embarrassing how much time was dedicated to that group and now they're all gone bar one Well, I don't know about worse, ReDragon are involved on the main show, associated with one of if not the top groups, in a long term story with arguably the biggest team in the world, and part of an incredibly deep tag division. Strong would probably be where he was in WWE, the midcard guy for the group, not headlining by any means, but in a solid position. Depending on what's in NXT v AEW deals, especially with the new focus of NXT and what he'd been offered next time, it might be worth his while. The cut of merch money would be no bad thing.
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Post by dbrussel on May 2, 2022 16:05:44 GMT -5
I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. ROH maybe? Also, he's not better where he is now, since he's doing nothing. The moment he leaves his value will increase greatly.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 2, 2022 16:10:53 GMT -5
I believe they're referring to Roderick Strong, which he would be a lock for AEW to join up with the Undisputed Elite if this is true. No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. Diamond Mine I think really exposed Roddy's lack of star potential even more in that despite being the leader of it (it was initially supposed to center mainly around him) literally everyone else in the group came off like a bigger star then him and outshined him. They've been reemphasizing some focus on him again lately to keep him happy I guess but I really don't think it's that big of a deal. He's a good hand to have around but if he wants out then let him. However knowing them they'll hold him hostage. I seriously don't get why people even bother asking for their release anymore. We've seen it happen time and time again them refusing to grant it and then you're really screwed as you're basically trapped there and they are probably going to be even more inclined not to do anything with you since you're told them you don't want to be there anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 16:34:12 GMT -5
The collapse is almost funny at this point as more and more just keep walking away from this ship that keeps developing another leak.
I am expecting Santos Escobar here soon or just the entirety of Legado next.
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Post by oxbaker on May 2, 2022 16:37:09 GMT -5
No offense to you or Roddy, but what would he bring to AEW that they don’t already have? Yes his buddies work there but he’s just Random Indie Guy Good Hand No. 163 on the roster and has dark/elevation potential at best. He’s never been charismatic, doesn’t have some eye-popping moveset, not a promo guy, just a carbon copy of somebody they have more than a dozen of on their roster. Hey, I get Tony likes his new toys and he’ll get a lot of people inside the company politicking for him, but what value does he have there? He’s probably better off where he is, but if he wants out by all means let him go. I just don’t see why AEW would want him. Diamond Mine I think really exposed Roddy's lack of star potential even more in that despite being the leader of it (it was initially supposed to center mainly around him) literally everyone else in the group came off like a bigger star then him and outshined him. They've been reemphasizing some focus on him again lately to keep him happy I guess but I really don't think it's that big of a deal. He's a good hand to have around but if he wants out then let him. However knowing them they'll hold him hostage. I seriously don't get why people even bother asking for their release anymore. We've seen it happen time and time again them refusing to grant it and then you're really screwed as you're basically trapped there and they are probably going to be even more inclined not to do anything with you since you're told them you don't want to be there anymore. I’m a longtime ROH mark and have seen a lot of his work. He’s an excellent hand but he never really stands out no matter how you try (in ROH or NXT). If they do release him and AEW does sign him, I see a ‘Huge Announcement’ and then mostly being the extra guy who doesn’t actually do much of anything with UE and more or less enhancement talent — you can let him put over a couple guys on the main roster, take some pins in tag combinations and then it’s lose a few on Revolution and, at best, win a bunch of Dark matches so you can make him a failed challenger for the TNT belt. Beyond that, like I said — good hand, good worker, can be useful but hardly essential. I’d take Gargano over him 100 times out of 100 for a ‘similar’ talent.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 2, 2022 16:39:49 GMT -5
Was this tweet deleted? It's not showing up. If so what was it??
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 2, 2022 16:47:09 GMT -5
The collapse is almost funny at this point as more and more just keep walking away from this ship that keeps developing another leak. I am expecting Santos Escobar here soon or just the entirety of Legado next. The collapse of what? This is overdramatic lol. It's Roderick Strong lol. Come on now.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 16:53:49 GMT -5
The collapse is almost funny at this point as more and more just keep walking away from this ship that keeps developing another leak. I am expecting Santos Escobar here soon or just the entirety of Legado next. The collapse of what? This is overdramatic lol. It's Roderick Strong lol. Come on now. Collapse may have been too strong a word here. But watching all the named vet talent keeping walking away no matter what deal WWE seems to try and toss at them is just a little funny because IMO no matter what side of the arguement about it being smarter for them to build up their own in house talent you fall on the one agreement is that losing all the vetern talent specifically in NXT at the rate they are is a very bad sign for all the blank slates they keep bringing in.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 2, 2022 17:11:17 GMT -5
Was this tweet deleted? It's not showing up. If so what was it?? A couple of points from SRS' live stream where he said Triple H had big plans for Strong when he was negotiating his new contract and that the retirement of the Cruiserweight Title really made him question his choice to stay.
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Post by oxbaker on May 2, 2022 17:31:14 GMT -5
The collapse of what? This is overdramatic lol. It's Roderick Strong lol. Come on now. Collapse may have been too strong a word here. But watching all the named vet talent keeping walking away no matter what deal WWE seems to try and toss at them is just a little funny because IMO no matter what side of the arguement about it being smarter for them to build up their own in house talent you fall on the one agreement is that losing all the vetern talent specifically in NXT at the rate they are is a very bad sign for all the blank slates they keep bringing in. For NXT, it’s just a change of direction. If you’re going to keep NXT as a ‘super-indie,’ sure, it makes sense to have Gargano and Cole and Fish and O’Reilly and some of the other ‘indie-riffic’ talent, but I’m not sure they were anyone WWE would build around (or AEW for that matter). Good hands, good workers, but they all fit the same mold. Buddy Murphy could fit here too, although he’s a bit different in style. Keith Lee could make some noise or … we’ll see. Same with Andrade and Aleister. None seem to me to be essential talents but they could fill good midcard spots and, maybe, just maybe, do a bit more. But let’s be honest: we’re not talking about CMP or BD here. To me, NXT has some intriguing talent who could have big futures in Cameron Grimes, Breakker, maybe Indi, D’Angelo and a few others. Even if they’re mid-carders they lend themselves more to developing characters/gimmicks than ‘random indie good hand’ types for the most part.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 2, 2022 17:35:34 GMT -5
I'd certainly want out if I were Strong. He's pretty much adrift without any real purpose and all his friends and his wife work elsewhere, makes total sense to want to bounce.
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Post by eJm on May 2, 2022 17:45:06 GMT -5
Objectively, what's the point of holding onto talent that isn't going to resign? They don't want to be there and there taking a spot from someone else. Getting released is probably beneficial for both parties at that point. Assuming they didn't ask for their release, they just wanted to fulfill the rest of their contract. If a player isn't going to re-sign with a team, they can still play if they have something to offer. For someone like Dakota, she's a solid veteran worker. Given they're about to have a breakout tournament composed of almost entirely green female talent, she's the kind of person you want on your roster to work with them. You can probably get by without her but there are benefits to keeping someone like her around. I mean, that’s just logical. It doesn’t happen in sports because, like, most sports have unions and actual laws preventing such a thing but even if they didn’t have that, why take a player off the board you might be able to use to help you through the end of a season or to help someone out for a time before they run out? You pay what you owe them (which considering it’s Dakota on an NXT deal, likely isn’t as much as even someone like Roddy), you take away your requirement to pay them for a full month when you don’t need to and your talent benefits from the exposure with an experienced hand. Cutting someone if they aren’t going to renew just seems super petty and unnessesary.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 2, 2022 17:48:25 GMT -5
I also will say I know there's a "What purpose would Roddy serve?" argument with him potentially going to AEW, but he has huge standing with Undisputed and always has, and was very much a huge part of Ring of Honor, he was essentially an entire era of that company. He could fit in that storyline, he could fit in plans for Ring of Honor going forward, he'd not exactly someone they'd sign and he'd immediately have to look for an identity imo.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2022 17:51:46 GMT -5
Collapse may have been too strong a word here. But watching all the named vet talent keeping walking away no matter what deal WWE seems to try and toss at them is just a little funny because IMO no matter what side of the arguement about it being smarter for them to build up their own in house talent you fall on the one agreement is that losing all the vetern talent specifically in NXT at the rate they are is a very bad sign for all the blank slates they keep bringing in. For NXT, it’s just a change of direction. If you’re going to keep NXT as a ‘super-indie,’ sure, it makes sense to have Gargano and Cole and Fish and O’Reilly and some of the other ‘indie-riffic’ talent, but I’m not sure they were anyone WWE would build around (or AEW for that matter). Good hands, good workers, but they all fit the same mold. Buddy Murphy could fit here too, although he’s a bit different in style. Keith Lee could make some noise or … we’ll see. Same with Andrade and Aleister. None seem to me to be essential talents but they could fill good midcard spots and, maybe, just maybe, do a bit more. But let’s be honest: we’re not talking about CMP or BD here. To me, NXT has some intriguing talent who could have big futures in Cameron Grimes, Breakker, maybe Indi, D’Angelo and a few others. Even if they’re mid-carders they lend themselves more to developing characters/gimmicks than ‘random indie good hand’ types for the most part. Yes. This.
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Post by oxbaker on May 2, 2022 18:06:42 GMT -5
Assuming they didn't ask for their release, they just wanted to fulfill the rest of their contract. If a player isn't going to re-sign with a team, they can still play if they have something to offer. For someone like Dakota, she's a solid veteran worker. Given they're about to have a breakout tournament composed of almost entirely green female talent, she's the kind of person you want on your roster to work with them. You can probably get by without her but there are benefits to keeping someone like her around. I mean, that’s just logical. It doesn’t happen in sports because, like, most sports have unions and actual laws preventing such a thing but even if they didn’t have that, why take a player off the board you might be able to use to help you through the end of a season or to help someone out for a time before they run out? You pay what you owe them (which considering it’s Dakota on an NXT deal, likely isn’t as much as even someone like Roddy), you take away your requirement to pay them for a full month when you don’t need to and your talent benefits from the exposure with an experienced hand. Cutting someone if they aren’t going to renew just seems super petty and unnessesary. If they’ve already expressed to you that they’re leaving, yeah, you can use them in matches to put people over, but you really don’t want to do anything with them story or character-wise. I mean there’s a pretty fine line here of what people say they want: ‘If someone wants out of their contract they should have their wish granted immediately; if they want to stay out their contract but tell you they’re leaving the minute it’s up, they should be kept and paid even though it limits what you can do with them.’ If you aren’t using them, they should be cut loose so they can go elsewhere; but if your aren’t using them and you cut them people get upset that they were cut.
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