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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 15, 2021 21:20:18 GMT -5
Let's point out that both Meltz and Zarian said that this is was one of the ideas being thrown around not that that was the idea
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 15, 2021 21:34:32 GMT -5
Let's point out that both Meltz and Zarian said that this is was one of the ideas being thrown around not that that was the idea Meltzer definitely made it sound like it was “the idea,” at least in the portion I heard
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 15, 2021 21:40:14 GMT -5
Adam Cole himself said he never heard of the idea. I mean. That’s pretty shut. just because he personally wasn't told about doesn't mean the idea was never discussed by others as a potential idea for him But then what’s really the story? I’m sure every single wrestler gets every idea or concept bounced around when they’re coming up with something.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 15, 2021 21:49:09 GMT -5
just because he personally wasn't told about doesn't mean the idea was never discussed by others as a potential idea for him But then what’s really the story? I’m sure every single wrestler gets every idea or concept bounced around when they’re coming up with something. I doubt usually the idea involves "start being a manager",if they see big things for you.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 15, 2021 22:03:30 GMT -5
But then what’s really the story? I’m sure every single wrestler gets every idea or concept bounced around when they’re coming up with something. I doubt usually the idea involves "start being a manager",if they see big things for you. I'm gonna start you out cleaning toilets but you could be ceo one day.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 15, 2021 22:05:35 GMT -5
But then what’s really the story? I’m sure every single wrestler gets every idea or concept bounced around when they’re coming up with something. I doubt usually the idea involves "start being a manager",if they see big things for you. They apparently didn’t even pitch the manager idea to Cole so how was that their big idea for him?
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Post by Dub H on Sept 15, 2021 22:11:25 GMT -5
I doubt usually the idea involves "start being a manager",if they see big things for you. They apparently didn’t even pitch the manager idea to Cole so how was that their big idea for him? I didnt say their "big" idea,I said nothing you are saying. I`m saying if one of their ideas was for him being a manager,I doubt that they hoped big things from him.I doubt you would see the prospects they look forward being suggested as manager.It shows one of the levels they expect of him.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 15, 2021 23:42:40 GMT -5
He followed that by saying they don't usually hear all the ideas kicked around for them so it doesn't mean Meltzer is wrong. Meltzer said it was Vince or Bruce’s idea and that it was likely proposed to Cole during his meeting with Vince. He also said that it was “the idea” for Cole’s callup, implying that was the working plan and not just one option. I’m about 99% sure Meltzer said he had no idea if it had ever been proposed to Cole, just that it came from Vince or Bruce and not from the creative team.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 16, 2021 6:33:07 GMT -5
Meltzer said it was Vince or Bruce’s idea and that it was likely proposed to Cole during his meeting with Vince. He also said that it was “the idea” for Cole’s callup, implying that was the working plan and not just one option. I’m about 99% sure Meltzer said he had no idea if it had ever been proposed to Cole, just that it came from Vince or Bruce and not from the creative team. During that radio show, he didn’t say that he wasn’t sure if it had ever been proposed to Cole, unless I missed it. In fact, he talked like this is “the idea” for Cole, he’d be a manager for a heel Keith Lee and probably would change his name because of Michael Cole.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 16, 2021 6:41:26 GMT -5
I’m about 99% sure Meltzer said he had no idea if it had ever been proposed to Cole, just that it came from Vince or Bruce and not from the creative team. During that radio show, he didn’t say that he wasn’t sure if it had ever been proposed to Cole, unless I missed it. In fact, he talked like this is “the idea” for Cole, he’d be a manager for a heel Keith Lee and probably would change his name because of Michael Cole. Well I cant find it myself,but reddit poster which are subscriber have said he especifically mentione he didnt know if it had been proposed,so take that for what you will.Either way Andre Zarian has also backed up the claim that it was an idea pitched,but not to Cole,so that for me makes it very likely that is the case.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 16, 2021 7:08:47 GMT -5
During that radio show, he didn’t say that he wasn’t sure if it had ever been proposed to Cole, unless I missed it. In fact, he talked like this is “the idea” for Cole, he’d be a manager for a heel Keith Lee and probably would change his name because of Michael Cole. Well I cant find it myself,but reddit poster which are subscriber have said he especifically mentione he didnt know if it had been proposed,so take that for what you will.Either way Andre Zarian has also backed up the claim that it was an idea pitched,but not to Cole,so that for me makes it very likely that is the case. Maybe it’s true that Dave didn’t say that it was proposed to him then. He did say it was “the idea.” And the article on Dave’s website says: “One of the ideas for Adam Cole to move up to the WWE main roster was to become a manager for a heel Keith Lee, according to Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio. Meltzer said it was either Vince McMahon or Bruce Prichard's idea. Cole became a free agent at the end of August after his already extended NXT contract expired. In an effort to keep him and promote him to the main roster after a four year run in NXT where he had done it all, Cole met with McMahon. It's believed that is where the idea was proposed.” www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-pitched-adam-cole-becoming-manager-keith-lee-352906So maybe that’s the disconnect if the article doesn’t match up completely with Meltzer’s words.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 16, 2021 7:12:42 GMT -5
I definitely remember Dave saying it may not have been pitched to him but it was one of the ideas that they had. Cole himself said his meeting was only 30 minutes with Vince and given his comments since he left, it seems like he knew he was leaving and just wanted to meet to see what kind of offer they had. I doubt he received a 10 step presentation on how his push would go over the next year.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 16, 2021 7:25:05 GMT -5
I definitely remember Dave saying it may not have been pitched to him but it was one of the ideas that they had. Cole himself said his meeting was only 30 minutes with Vince and given his comments since he left, it seems like he knew he was leaving and just wanted to meet to see what kind of offer they had. I doubt he received a 10 step presentation on how his push would go over the next year. This is also 2021 WWE... I don't believe they have a ten step plan for anyone anymore period. Week by week Vince seems to hate the show and rewrite it a dozen times. Hard to have a plan for people when you do that and it shows a lot.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 16, 2021 10:33:21 GMT -5
This is what Dave said on the Observer Board -
"Also, tons of reporters knew about Cole as a manager. That wasn't even a scoop. The only scoop I had was that it was Keith Lee turning heel and the Lashley/Rush idea.
Most in creative only knew Cole as a manager, but at least two knew about Keith Lee. As I said at the time, I had no idea if Cole was ever told about it. Everyone in creative knew it was Bruce or Vince's idea, but they didn't know for sure as some said Bruce and others said Vince but it came from them, not the writing team and it got out because people rolled their eyes on it."
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Post by salz4life on Sept 16, 2021 11:52:40 GMT -5
I don't care whether it was the BIG idea or just an idea..... how does Adam Cole as strictly a manager even get brought up? The guy is an excellent in-ring talent. Yeah, that screams manager to me.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2021 8:41:10 GMT -5
So Cole just did a podcast with Jericho and talked a bit about what was going on.
1)Confirmed originally they wanted to change his look and his name which he wasn't a fan of but eventually they softened the stance on that because he made it clear he wasn't comfortable with either.
2)Had he resigned he was going to the main roster.
3)They were very vague on plans for him which was a red flag for him
4)He basically confirmed that he has since learned the Keith Lee manager idea was a real thing.
5)Everybody was always really nice to deal with but he just got more excited about matches he could do in AEW.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 24, 2021 10:30:13 GMT -5
Changing his name and making him a manager sounds absurd. But sadly not at all surprising in WWE These days.
I’d see the “vagueness” as a red flag as well of I were in his spot.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Sept 24, 2021 10:39:56 GMT -5
VINCE: So, Adam we have some ideas for your main roster debut, and one that I am personally proud of is a new look and name.
COLE: Uh, Vince my look and name have been my wrestling persona for years, even while working for the WWE. I don't like the idea of changing either.
VINCE: Well, okay, but we haven't fully settled on the name yet. We have two really strong ones that I think you'd have a lot of fun working with and getting over with the fans.
COLE: Uh-huh? What are they?
VINCE: Well, I don't feel comfortable telling you yet, because I haven't made a decision on either yet. Let's just say once you arrive on either Raw or Smackdown or... Main Event, we'll let you know.
COLE: Okay...? Why does one of those outfits over there have a cape that says "Bungus" on it, and why does the other gear say "Von Wagner" on the tights?
VINCE: Look, pal. You've gotta change some things, but we want you to be you. You've gotta make me believe.
COLE:... What?! Oh uh, sorry Vince I think I hear my uh, car calling me.*runs out the door*
VINCE: You'll be back, Bungus. They always come back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 10:44:49 GMT -5
Cole and Lee as a tag team isn't a bad idea, I guess, but Cole as a manager gets a hard pass from me. The dude's so damn good in the ring, even if I think his NXT matches started getting a bit overbooked towards the end of his time there.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2021 10:48:05 GMT -5
Just to be clear as well on the ideas Cole said "apparently there were a lot but they were all very vague" so he clearly didn't know what thr ideas were and when Jericho mentioned the manager thing Cole said yeah.
Jericho then said Adam didn't have to say anything cause Jericho would say it for him, but he was shocked that they couldn't come up with any idea for Adam. Just let him be him and it would seem fresh on either Raw or Smackdown.
Adam also did mention that his big concern was if he did change his appearance if things didn't work out he'd be stuck till he actually did leave
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