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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 20, 2021 4:16:14 GMT -5
What doesn't help is that they still haven't returned to doing the Florida loop of house shows for these newer talents to get their reps in, both in terms of in-ring time and in portraying elements of their character (as much as one can do on a house show, anyway), so that by the time they actually get to TV, you see way less of this greenness. They haven't done one since before the pandemic, you know. Hell, I don't even know if they'll ever go back to doing them. But doing whatever they're doing in between NXT TV tapings just isn't the same. You don't get the same kind of feedback from doing practice matches in front of coaches who could be looking for one thing in one moment and end up getting told to look for something else in the next without any hint of that to the talent, as you do in front of a live crowd. If they are really changing the direction of NXT from indie standouts to in-house trainees, they need to get something going that can get them ring time in front of a live audience without the presence of cameras. In an ideal situation, a phase out of the Orange Loop due to the pandemic should be having WWE scout the indies for talent that are already TV ready, not making investments in training athletes that have never wrestled in front of a camera. And at the very least, don't post snippets of bad wrestling from whatever 205 Live is now onto the social media channels. There was no need to highlight Lash Legend being sloppy AF so millions of people saw her stumble through an elbow drop instead of maybe tens of thousands of the most dedicated hardcore wrestling fans who are more likely to have realistic expectations of what she may be capable of.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 20, 2021 4:51:34 GMT -5
Lash needs another 6 months before they should even think of giving her a push. If you aren't ready to wrestle then you need to be able to talk and she can't do either.
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Post by mistery on Dec 20, 2021 7:58:23 GMT -5
What doesn't help is that they still haven't returned to doing the Florida loop of house shows for these newer talents to get their reps in, both in terms of in-ring time and in portraying elements of their character (as much as one can do on a house show, anyway), so that by the time they actually get to TV, you see way less of this greenness. They haven't done one since before the pandemic, you know. Hell, I don't even know if they'll ever go back to doing them. But doing whatever they're doing in between NXT TV tapings just isn't the same. You don't get the same kind of feedback from doing practice matches in front of coaches who could be looking for one thing in one moment and end up getting told to look for something else in the next without any hint of that to the talent, as you do in front of a live crowd. If they are really changing the direction of NXT from indie standouts to in-house trainees, they need to get something going that can get them ring time in front of a live audience without the presence of cameras. In an ideal situation, a phase out of the Orange Loop due to the pandemic should be having WWE scout the indies for talent that are already TV ready, not making investments in training athletes that have never wrestled in front of a camera. And at the very least, don't post snippets of bad wrestling from whatever 205 Live is now onto the social media channels. There was no need to highlight Lash Legend being sloppy AF so millions of people saw her stumble through an elbow drop instead of maybe tens of thousands of the most dedicated hardcore wrestling fans who are more likely to have realistic expectations of what she may be capable of. WWE posts clips of every match. Problem is that the clips they posted of the Sarray/Lash match were the BEST parts. Everything else not shown in those clips was much worse. And it circles back around to Lash's fans blaming Sarray for the match and hurling out really nasty comments. With accusations ranging from sabotage to calling her "Dollar General Asuka". WWE set both of those women up to fail, because Sarray has not gotten any sort of real TV time as she came in at the worst possible time, and Lash is getting too much TV time. They need to flip those roles around. Lash's fans even seem to be convinced that this feud is going to be picked up on the main show now, which will only make the issues SIGNIFICANTLY worse. Because you go from a show that has maybe a couple hundred thousand people who watch it at most, to 550k+ people.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 10:05:00 GMT -5
Bumping this, as there are reports coming out (PWI, WOR) about the Sarray/Lash match from various outlets. I guess word is that the match was heavily edited (as the unedited version was much worse, which is hard to imagine). Apparently the feeling is that its the worst wrestling match of 2021.
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 23, 2021 10:45:27 GMT -5
WWE is destroying Sarrays career and having her work with someone so green and clearly not ready shows how much they think of her,she needs to get out ASAP as she had zero future with this company.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 23, 2021 11:27:03 GMT -5
It's one thing to put talent that's not ready for TV on 205 Live. But to then tweet part of the match where there's a horrendous botch is mind boggling. You have millions of followers on that account. Why are you sharing that with them?
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -5
It's one thing to put talent that's not ready for TV on 205 Live. But to then tweet part of the match where there's a horrendous botch is mind boggling. You have millions of followers on that account. Why are you sharing that with them? The ironic part is that Sarray apparently had another match during this week's taping against Erica Yan, which was apparently much better? And Erica has been signed to WWE for way less time, and also has zero indie experience. As for Lash, I'm baffled how she can still be this terrible even after being signed for at least a year now.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 23, 2021 12:58:34 GMT -5
So I assume since they’re unifying the NA and Cruiserweight title it means they’re doing away with the Cruiserweight title. Will the same be said to 205 live?
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Dec 23, 2021 14:53:47 GMT -5
So I assume since they’re unifying the NA and Cruiserweight title it means they’re doing away with the Cruiserweight title. Will the same be said to 205 live? Why didn't they just give Joe the win over Roddy if they had plans to kill the Cruiserweight division and rebrand 205?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 23, 2021 15:14:53 GMT -5
So I assume since they’re unifying the NA and Cruiserweight title it means they’re doing away with the Cruiserweight title. Will the same be said to 205 live? Why didn't they just give Joe the win over Roddy if they had plans to kill the Cruiserweight division and rebrand 205? Well, I will say having Roddy lose it to an actual cruiserweight who already has a title is a much more dignified ending than losing it to a guy outside the weight class who's gimmick is creepy social justice warrior.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 15:44:28 GMT -5
I guess they scrapped the Sarray/Yan match from the 205 Live taping, or it was a dark match. Because it's not part of the advertised lineup for tomorrow's show. Or they taped two weeks worth of 205 Live. I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 15:50:44 GMT -5
It is wild how bad they are doing Sarray when HHH and crew hyped her up so much upon her debut.
I echo that she will be better off getting the hell outta this company.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 15:55:14 GMT -5
It is wild how bad they are doing Sarray when HHH and crew hyped her up so much upon her debut. I echo that she will be better off getting the hell outta this company. She's not hyper attractive and not fluent in English. That's all Vince, Bruce, and Johnny need to kneecap her until she gets cut or requests her release. She is never going to get a fair chance in the company since the changeover to 2.0. Especially with WWE doubling down on wanting to focus more on athletes from other sports who may not have the passion (see the Cavinder sisters, who were signed but have said they aren't super into the idea of actually wrestling), instead of people who actually want to wrestle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 16:03:05 GMT -5
It is wild how bad they are doing Sarray when HHH and crew hyped her up so much upon her debut. I echo that she will be better off getting the hell outta this company. She's not hyper attractive and not fluent in English. That's all Vince, Bruce, and Johnny need to kneecap her until she gets cut or requests her release. She is never going to get a fair chance in the company since the changeover to 2.0. Especially with WWE doubling down on wanting to focus more on athletes from other sports who may not have the passion (see the Cavinder sisters they signed), instead of people who actually want to wrestle. Sarray ultra talented in the ring but she has a kind of plain jane look to her and IMO this (before the reboot of course) I felt was going to be her biggest hurdle she was gonna need to reinvent herself in the same way Io did. But speaking of Joshi in WWE...SRS just did a Q&A and revealed they have interest in a top Stardom star (he of course did not reveal the name) but I would be surprised if it was anyone other than Giulia. I doubt they try for Mayu again as she has turned them down before and she is absoloutley not WWE's type.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 16:24:01 GMT -5
She's not hyper attractive and not fluent in English. That's all Vince, Bruce, and Johnny need to kneecap her until she gets cut or requests her release. She is never going to get a fair chance in the company since the changeover to 2.0. Especially with WWE doubling down on wanting to focus more on athletes from other sports who may not have the passion (see the Cavinder sisters they signed), instead of people who actually want to wrestle. Sarray ultra talented in the ring but she has a kind of plain jane look to her and IMO this (before the reboot of course) I felt was going to be her biggest hurdle she was gonna need to reinvent herself in the same way Io did. But speaking of Joshi in WWE...SRS just did a Q&A and revealed they have interest in a top Stardom star (he of course did not reveal the name) but I would be surprised if it was anyone other than Giulia. I doubt they try for Mayu again as she has turned them down before and she is absoloutley not WWE's type. Mayu is pretty much off the table entirely as she hates leaving Japan. She mentioned she suffers severe anxiety and had a mental breakdown the last time she was over in the US for more than a couple of days. It's why I don't think she'll ever really wrestle in America again, for any company. As for the joshi they are interested in, it's obviously Giulia, Utami, or maybe Syuri. Giulia's incredibly attractive, charismatic, and is decent in the ring. The problem being that Giulia wants to bring women's wrestling to a new level in Japan. So she probably won't entertain offers from them. Utami is also a no, as she's actively dunked on WWE before, and doesn't really like them (although its not for the reasons you would see over here). And Syuri is "too old" for WWE.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2021 18:04:59 GMT -5
Yeah if there's anyone who should and probably does have signing remourse with WWE, it is Sarray
She was on top in Japan and is a really good wrestler... but they've done literally next to nothing with her, and it feels like thats gonna continue to be the case until she's gone.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 23, 2021 18:25:34 GMT -5
The thing with Sarray is that they were barely doing anything with her BEFORE the reboot, which was odd in itself given how they were willing to wait on her while she couldn’t get to the US in the first year of the pandemic.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 18:53:35 GMT -5
The thing with Sarray is that they were barely doing anything with her BEFORE the reboot, which was odd in itself given how they were willing to wait on her while she couldn’t get to the US in the first year of the pandemic. I think you can chalk that up to a series of unfortunate events. I have a bit of a timeline below: - Comes in super hot, and goes on a mini winning streak - She is slated to feud with Toni Storm (and likely win), but then Toni gets called up and banished to Smackdown Catering. - Sarray continues to rack up wins for a bit regardless. - They set up a match between Ember Moon and Sarray. - Ember Moon wasn't medically cleared, so they subbed in Dakota Kai instead, who beat Sarray, ending her undefeated streak. This was the first bad decision, and the starting point of her downfall. - Sarray has a match with Mandy Rose and wins via countout. - Later that night, Sarray is jumped backstage by Toxic Attraction - Sarray loses her feud against Mandy and Toxic Attraction on the first episode of NXT 2.0. - She then goes on to get squashed by Indi Hartwell and Persia, and is banished to 205 Live purgatory - She then resurfaces on NXT 2.0 and is immediately squashed and banished back to 205 Live. - She gets thrown into the ring with Lash Legend, who has no business being on TV at the moment. --- That's Sarray's WWE career in chronological order to date. She hasn't had any sort of chance to develop a character or anything, and it's pretty clear NXT 2.0's direction is focusing on over the top sex appeal. And she's a plain jane in terms of looks. Which means she won't get a chance in this current environment. Barring a sudden shift in the booking direction of the show, I think its safe to say Sarray is unfortunately going to be in the next round of cuts, and will forever go down as one of the biggest "What-Ifs" in modern WWE history. And it's a shame, because I feel like if they could flesh out her character some, she has a much higher ceiling than women like Lash Legend, Mandy Rose, Jacy Jayne, etc. But instead they are too focused on "sex appeal" in a cheap attempt to bring in younger viewers (which is backfiring horribly).
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Post by AwamoriRock on Dec 23, 2021 19:09:52 GMT -5
I (half-heartedly) promised myself not to go on another Sarray rant, but outside of the dumb booking/scheduling it's just disappointing that when she is around it's in these 5 minute matches with undeveloped wrestlers. She's really yet to be in a back and forth competitive fun match with an established talent. When she was dominating in Japan, she was especially known for great lengthy matches, both singles and tags. I get it, it's WWE and TV and you can't always do that, but there's a happy medium between a 5 minute match and a 26 minute one, and she could totally be put in those. As for charisma, she's not flashy but I never saw this as big a problem as other people I guess. Her Onikana and short lived Itoh tags showed plenty of personality, but I think instead of some over-the-top character the remedy is just to be featured more and just have her be of a diet-Meiko badass type. I think character/personality stems from being featured and the character you can show in a match, not the other way around sometimes. Her war with Aja Kong showed a lot more personality than an entrance or gimmick could ever, but again, it's WWE, there's parameters.
Sucks though, she's one of my favorites and I think super highly of her when it comes to top joshi.
As for who SRS is talking about with WWE being interested in Stardom: They'd clearly be interested in Utami, but I would assume Giulia or tall Saya.
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Post by mistery on Dec 23, 2021 19:16:45 GMT -5
I (half-heartedly) promised myself not to go on another Sarray rant, but outside of the dumb booking/scheduling it's just disappointing that when she is around it's in these 5 minute matches with undeveloped wrestlers. She's really yet to be in a back and forth competitive fun match with an established talent. When she was dominating in Japan, she was especially known for great lengthy matches, both singles and tags. I get it, it's WWE and TV and you can't always do that, but there's a happy medium between a 5 minute match and a 26 minute one, and she could totally be put in those. As for charisma, she's not flashy but I never saw this as big a problem as other people I guess. Her Onikana and short lived Itoh tags showed plenty of personality, but I think instead of some over-the-top character the remedy is just to be featured more and just have her be of a diet-Meiko badass type. I think character/personality stems from being featured and the character you can show in a match, not the other way around sometimes. Her war with Aja Kong showed a lot more personality than an entrance or gimmick could ever, but again, it's WWE, there's parameters. Sucks though, she's one of my favorites and I think super highly of her when it comes to top joshi. As for who SRS is talking about with WWE being interested in Stardom: They'd clearly be interested in Utami, but I would assume Giulia or tall Saya. Like Utami is someone I could see under normal circumstances, but I don't think its her, if just for the fact that she's outright shot down the idea of ever working in a western company. She's dunked on both AEW and WWE publicly in interviews as companies she sees beneath her. Also its worth noting SRS explicitly mentioned a top star. I would hardly say Tall Saya is a "top star" in STARDOM. Giulia is definitely the frontrunner though, especially with that Liger interview she had earlier this year where he asked if WWE had reached out to her, and she gave a non-answer and got really skittish. Which is generally a giant glowing neon sign that says "Yes, we are in talks". Because WWE doesn't allow people to reveal they are in talks with the company until either they (WWE) reveal it, or the actual non-wrestling media reveals it. But Sarray is in a weird spot right now and unfortunately, I can see her getting cut soon. Which would suck, because she isn't getting chances to actually show people what she's capable of. I would rather see her on TV getting time to flesh out a character over the dumb Xyon/Elektra stuff, or Toxic Attraction getting several segments a week.
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