Perd
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Post by Perd on Aug 31, 2021 16:14:57 GMT -5
I’ve always just sort of assumed that some version of this happened every week. But it must have been pretty hectic to garner this type of report.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 31, 2021 16:30:05 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed the show!?
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 31, 2021 16:41:47 GMT -5
WWE as big as is and so much of it not depending on the in-ring I wonder if raw is just Vince trying to control something. So much of it is stuff id imagine he doesn't know a bunch about, like digital media, copyrights, press, ect... One day a week he gets to impose his will on something he created and knows enough about to argue with people about...
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 31, 2021 17:09:30 GMT -5
I didn’t watch til the end but I thought it was pretty good minus he Nia Charlotte mess. Even the live thread seemed pretty posi.
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Post by King Devitt on Aug 31, 2021 20:40:50 GMT -5
I think we all knew the answer to this before we even opened the thread
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 31, 2021 21:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 31, 2021 21:39:44 GMT -5
They literally had a week to write this show based on what they advertised. The process is broken if they're not actually reviewing content with Vince until the day of the show and nothing you promised viewers happens. This isn't the Attitude Era where you're counter-programming based on competition. I know I'm stating the obvious, but if I was a major partner or investor and hearing some of this stuff I'd genuinely be concerned. This is like Disney or Warner constantly requesting last minute reshoots on top films because they were worried about the finished product. They've lost the plot. So Raw is now the first Suicide Squad?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 1, 2021 0:33:13 GMT -5
Yeah saying Alexa's schtick "is not popular" is not really true. some people (Especially here) really hate it... but other people are insanely into it... also I remember in one of Jericho's books he talked about coming to the WWE and was surprised that so much was planned out a head of time... and how there were stories planned for like everyone week to week... as opposed to WCW where they were flying by their seat of their pants... What the f*** happened? I know the answer is Vince got older crankier and more stubborn... considering that even Vince's old buddies are on the creative meetings now it's kinda proof that no one can get through to him. Russo knew how to write, Hey let's not go crazy here
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Sept 1, 2021 10:52:36 GMT -5
After all of this, next week Raw viewership will still be 1.8-2.0 million. What's the difference to USA if people love what they're watching or hate watch it? None.
I dont know why Vince doesnt just write on the fly every week. Who cares? He should write every promo, produce every match, and do whatever he wants.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Sept 1, 2021 11:04:59 GMT -5
Correlation between NXT to the main roster would be a great improvement, one of the biggest problems is they keep changing their minds if its a third brand developmental or both. One of the stranger things you sort of realize is that, well, Vince likely has final say over signings, right? So you’d have thought if he gave enough of a damn, he’d look at the people coming in and go “Paul, I don’t know what to do with these guys” and stop him from signing them. Like, it feels easier said then done but Vince also doesn’t seem like a guy where stuff happens without him getting the final approval of anything. I always thought NXT was supposed to be a show for Vince to easily scout talent from, and not a third brand. Talent scouts have to prepare a report and/or a highlight reel to show to Vince so he can judge whether he would be able to use them in some capacity. NXT just streamlined the process, while also training people coming up through their system how to work WWE programming. NXT just so happened to become a really enjoyable product, do in part to having a lot of great indie talent and also not having Vince's creative stink on it. I said in another thread that I believe NXT became a way for Vince to make money off of talent scouting.
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Post by mrtuesday on Sept 1, 2021 12:21:47 GMT -5
I feel like this gets asked all the time, but...
Why does Vince even hire writers if he's just going to do whatever he wants anyway?
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Post by madness50 on Sept 1, 2021 12:33:51 GMT -5
I feel like this gets asked all the time, but... Why does Vince even hire writers if he's just going to do whatever he wants anyway? It’s really a waste of money and time. I’m shocked Nick Khan hasn’t given the creative team the axe yet.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Sept 1, 2021 17:50:14 GMT -5
This whole company needs a massive overhaul. Get rid of Vince first and foremost. Fire Brother Love, Bucky Beaver, and Johnny Bella. Oh and here’s my craziest idea, ACTUALLY LET THE WRITERS DO THEIR DAMN JOB. I mean seriously, at this point Vince is just paying them to exist. Also fire Nick Con so he can’t do anymore long term damages. Hand over the deed to the first bank of Louisville or where he banks at to Jim Cornette and give him whatever conditions he asks for to head up creative and get Paul Heyman heavily involved with creative as well. There is still a very slime and minute chance to right the ship and this is just the start of how you do it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 17:53:04 GMT -5
This whole company needs a massive overhaul. Get rid of Vince first and foremost. Fire Brother Love, Bucky Beaver, and Johnny Bella. Oh and here’s my craziest idea, ACTUALLY LET THE WRITERS DO THEIR DAMN JOB. I mean seriously, at this point Vince is just paying them to exist. Also fire Nick Con so he can’t do anymore long term damages. Hand over the deed to the first bank of Louisville or where he banks at to Jim Cornette and give him whatever conditions he asks for to head up creative and get Paul Heyman heavily involved with creative as well. There is still a very slime and minute chance to right the ship and this is just the start of how you do it. I was with you up until the Cornette part.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 1, 2021 17:53:08 GMT -5
I feel like this gets asked all the time, but... Why does Vince even hire writers if he's just going to do whatever he wants anyway? It’s really a waste of money and time. I’m shocked Nick Khan hasn’t given the creative team the axe yet. Nick Khan writing WWE TV...... Now this would be something.... good or bad.... who knows.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Sept 1, 2021 22:32:55 GMT -5
This whole company needs a massive overhaul. Get rid of Vince first and foremost. Fire Brother Love, Bucky Beaver, and Johnny Bella. Oh and here’s my craziest idea, ACTUALLY LET THE WRITERS DO THEIR DAMN JOB. I mean seriously, at this point Vince is just paying them to exist. Also fire Nick Con so he can’t do anymore long term damages. Hand over the deed to the first bank of Louisville or where he banks at to Jim Cornette and give him whatever conditions he asks for to head up creative and get Paul Heyman heavily involved with creative as well. There is still a very slime and minute chance to right the ship and this is just the start of how you do it. I was with you up until the Cornette part. I’d you’ve ever listened to his podcasts, he actually still has a brilliant booking mind even if he does come off as stuck in the 80s on occasion.
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Post by repomark on Sept 2, 2021 4:55:28 GMT -5
What is striking is how much this resembles what they used to laugh at WCW for and have referenced in documentaries (like the original Monday Night War dvd). There is a whole segment dedicated to the anarchy in WCW and how the show wasn’t written a few hours before it went on the air.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 2, 2021 5:26:24 GMT -5
Somehow this will end up with Nick Khan firing McMahon.
Them firing himself. Then firing Marty Jannetty.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2021 8:43:59 GMT -5
Hey let's not go crazy here Lol, you know what I meant. Like him or laugh at him, he knew how to tap in to the cultural zeitgeist of that specific moment in time and knew that for people to care, they have to care about the whole show, not just the top guy - and with the others around him, as a team they had all the ingredients they needed. Now, they have no massive cultural zeitgeist to tap in to, no big societal shift to exploit and they have writers who are ignored and a 76 year old man who has bought so much of his own hype he believes only he can do anything - and has a team around him of yes men and those who probably know better, but also know how to deal with Vince and wont be risking their jobs to tell him no as most of them have already been fired once or twice before!
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 2, 2021 17:06:42 GMT -5
Hey let's not go crazy here Lol, you know what I meant. Like him or laugh at him, he knew how to tap in to the cultural zeitgeist of that specific moment in time and knew that for people to care, they have to care about the whole show, not just the top guy - and with the others around him, as a team they had all the ingredients they needed. Now, they have no massive cultural zeitgeist to tap in to, no big societal shift to exploit and they have writers who are ignored and a 76 year old man who has bought so much of his own hype he believes only he can do anything - and has a team around him of yes men and those who probably know better, but also know how to deal with Vince and wont be risking their jobs to tell him no as most of them have already been fired once or twice before! I still think what really sticks out is that Vince knew how to appeal to young Gen X'ers/older Millenials: Rock n' Wrestling and Hulkamania were right in the wheelhouse of where tons of people were at when it came to 80s pop culture, and Austin and the "Attitude" style fit the late 90s to a tee, but they each tracked with the aging up of the cohort that was born circa the late 70s through the late 80s. Once that group got to adulthood I don't think Vince knew how to hold onto them, and like you say I think in the years since we've entered the era of fragmented media and pop culture and it's hard to find some kind of central focus point to sell people on.
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