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Post by Edge of Insanity on Oct 15, 2021 6:25:29 GMT -5
The Giant joining the NWO one month AFTER they cost him the World Title. And then after a year plus of feuding with them, he rejoins them in May of 98 for no reason. Wasn't it his hatred of Nash that made him rejoin? Not a great reason, but still a reason.
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Post by chronocross on Oct 15, 2021 7:05:05 GMT -5
And then after a year plus of feuding with them, he rejoins them in May of 98 for no reason. Wasn't it his hatred of Nash that made him rejoin? Not a great reason, but still a reason. I believe it was, but he already had the tag match with him and Sting vs. Hall and Nash at Slamboree that Sunday for the tag belts. The announcers tried explaining it but since it just happened out of the blue, they were left flabbgergasted.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 15, 2021 7:06:48 GMT -5
Rikishi running down Austin didn't become crap to me until it turned out Triple H was behind it The initial story of Kishi trying to get rid of Austin so Rock would be the undeniable #1 Guy was a believable and compelling motivation. Shortly after that they killed any character development by making Helmsley the mastermind behind the attack Austin basically annihilating Rikishi at No Mercy was the start of it for me. The problem is for Austin's character and what had happened to him, he had to annihilate whoever did it for there to be any satisfying ending. But then how is any character supposed to recover from a beating like that?
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 15, 2021 8:21:01 GMT -5
Austin basically annihilating Rikishi at No Mercy was the start of it for me. The problem is for Austin's character and what had happened to him, he had to annihilate whoever did it for there to be any satisfying ending. But then how is any character supposed to recover from a beating like that? I feel if they wanted to elevate a midcarder, they could've had him(Rikishi) put up a good fight only to come up short in the end. Austin could've(and ultimately should've) still won the feud, but he didn't have to make him look like a jobber in the process. I was not a fan of Rikishi being the hit-and-run driver to begin with, but if they had to put him in that position, at least make him look like he is in the same league as the other main eventers are. Considering he's a big guy, there shouldn't be a reason for him to be bitched out the way he's been.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 15, 2021 11:01:34 GMT -5
Rikishi's turn is not unlike the Greater Power reveal.
A serious plot twist that is pretty much only remembered as a meme now.
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Post by nickcave on Oct 15, 2021 11:23:32 GMT -5
Rikishi's turn could have been fine if he dropped the stink face stuff and dressed like how 3 Minute Warning did. Not changing his gimmick at all made it impossible to take him seriously.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2021 15:29:01 GMT -5
Jinder winning the world title
There was a better way to build him up than immediately have him go from jobber to World Champion
I didn’t mind the change personally and he fits the look of a champion but that fell flat hard because that title change was meant to shock the audience with no real follow up
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 21:57:43 GMT -5
99.9% of MJF's promos?
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Post by Marvelous1LUFC on Oct 16, 2021 16:47:47 GMT -5
Jinder winning the world title There was a better way to build him up than immediately have him go from jobber to World Champion I didn’t mind the change personally and he fits the look of a champion but that fell flat hard because that title change was meant to shock the audience with no real follow up Nah, a shocking world title win is good. Santino should have won the rumble or the title at Elimination chamber, reign doesn't have to be long though
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Post by johnnyk9 on Oct 16, 2021 19:51:27 GMT -5
The Gooker coming out of that egg
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 25, 2021 7:24:49 GMT -5
Val Venis' attempted castration should be added in there.
Oh, and Vince's attempted murder storyline where his limo blows up. Was nixed two weeks later due to the Benoit incident which lead to the illegitimate son angle resulting in Hornswoggle being his long-lost son....at least until Finlay claimed he was his dad nixing the long angle.
Would Ahmed Johnson joining the Nation then being kicked out a month and a half later count as shocking(x2) for it's own sake?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 25, 2021 16:19:22 GMT -5
All the times one of the Divas kissed Vince could also be considered a necrophilia angle Vince is a sick person. I'm sure none of the women who did angles with Vince wanted to willingly. The sickest spot was Vince tripped and winding up on top Candice Michelle. I think it's worse than that - is it possible for women in that power dynamic position with Vince to do that kind of angle willingly?
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Post by jimmyjames on Oct 25, 2021 17:54:18 GMT -5
Live Sex Celebration with Edge and Lita. You knew they weren't going to fo anything and it didn't help you had King acting like a horny teenager watching his first porno.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 25, 2021 22:46:07 GMT -5
I think it's worse than that - is it possible for women in that power dynamic position with Vince to do that kind of angle willingly? It's sad, if they don't go along with it they'll either be fired or punished and if they don't go along with it they are probably bullied by others for not doing what the boss asked, not doing "what's best for this business."
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 26, 2021 8:02:36 GMT -5
The problem is for Austin's character and what had happened to him, he had to annihilate whoever did it for there to be any satisfying ending. But then how is any character supposed to recover from a beating like that? I feel if they wanted to elevate a midcarder, they could've had him(Rikishi) put up a good fight only to come up short in the end. Austin could've(and ultimately should've) still won the feud, but he didn't have to make him look like a jobber in the process. I was not a fan of Rikishi being the hit-and-run driver to begin with, but if they had to put him in that position, at least make him look like he is in the same league as the other main eventers are. Considering he's a big guy, there shouldn't be a reason for him to be bitched out the way he's been. The No Mercy match/angle was fine, I was more bothered by the Raw cage match where Austin absolutely whooped him in the most one sided cage match I've ever seen. May as well have spray painted BITCH on him when he was done
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 26, 2021 8:11:12 GMT -5
Chyna's double-turn at Mania 15 is a bit like this. She turns to help Triple H then later they both turn heel on X Pac. It was fun at the time but a bit tedious looking back.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 26, 2021 9:43:33 GMT -5
I feel if they wanted to elevate a midcarder, they could've had him(Rikishi) put up a good fight only to come up short in the end. Austin could've(and ultimately should've) still won the feud, but he didn't have to make him look like a jobber in the process. I was not a fan of Rikishi being the hit-and-run driver to begin with, but if they had to put him in that position, at least make him look like he is in the same league as the other main eventers are. Considering he's a big guy, there shouldn't be a reason for him to be bitched out the way he's been. The No Mercy match/angle was fine, I was more bothered by the Raw cage match where Austin absolutely whooped him in the most one sided cage match I've ever seen. May as well have spray painted BITCH on him when he was done The issue with the angle was that the obvious culprit was Triple H. But he was also the only culprit who made any sense. So they decided to go for a surprise even though it made no sense. I mean, Triple H had all the cred in the world at that point and would not have been hurt but Steve Austin beating the piss out of him. Hell they ended up retconning that Triple H WAS responsible and Steve gave him an even worse beating/attemptrd murder with a crane anyway. so it was also entirely pointless. Sometimes the obvious choice is the only choice.
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Post by tafkaga on Oct 26, 2021 10:18:11 GMT -5
Perhaps a lesser remembered one but Flair and Anderson feuding for months, even having matches against each other, with Flair finally enlisting the aid of Sting, only to DOUBLE CROSS him in a tag team match against Anderson and reveal that they were just pretending to feud as a ploy to get Sting in that particular situation so he could turn on him. HA HA AH HA HA HA HA WHOO gotcha again Stinger.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Oct 26, 2021 10:54:45 GMT -5
The No Mercy match/angle was fine, I was more bothered by the Raw cage match where Austin absolutely whooped him in the most one sided cage match I've ever seen. May as well have spray painted BITCH on him when he was done The issue with the angle was that the obvious culprit was Triple H. But he was also the only culprit who made any sense. So they decided to go for a surprise even though it made no sense. I mean, Triple H had all the cred in the world at that point and would not have been hurt but Steve Austin beating the piss out of him. Hell they ended up retconning that Triple H WAS responsible and Steve gave him an even worse beating/attemptrd murder with a crane anyway. so it was also entirely pointless. Sometimes the obvious choice is the only choice. I wasn't that big of a fan of the whole Triple H being the culprit behind Austin getting ran down at Survivor Series '99. I liked where they were going with Rikishi being the culprit and doing the deed for The Rock. They briefly hinted at The Rock being in a dilemma to join Rikishi and embrace his dark side, but like everything in the end of 2000, it was breezed through to keep the story moving. I would have liked a bit more time with The Rock and dealing with his quandry to do the right thing or supporting his family (I think it was around here where most of casuals were privy to Rikishi and The Rock's relation). I also didn't like how it swiftly changed where Trips was leaning, as at that point in time, they had set Triple H up as a face again, with his matches against Angle and Benoit at Unforgiven and No Mercy, respectively. One day in early November of '00, Trips comes out and admits he was the one who orchestrated the whole affair. Now he's evil again. It just felt pretty predictable and obvious. I personally would have waited until The Big Show came back and pinned it all on him. After all, Show won that match at Survivor Series '99 and could have been plotting to take Austin out of the equation for less resistance in that match. Out of that storyline, I did like the fact that Rikishi was pushed pretty hard, cultimating in him being involved in that six man Hell in a Cell match at Armageddon '00. Then after that, Rikishi was placed back in the midcard and hanging out with Too Cool, back to being a face, the whole thing forgotten. Trips feuded with Angle for a little bit again before setting his sights back on Austin. Meanwhile, Show languished in Hardcore match midcard hell. There was just so much potential with that storyline, but it felt like somewhat of a missed opportunity.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 26, 2021 12:58:29 GMT -5
All the times one of the Divas kissed Vince could also be considered a necrophilia angle Vince is a sick person. I'm sure none of the women who did angles with Vince wanted to willingly. The sickest spot was Vince tripped and winding up on top Candice Michelle. If you watch a segment with him and Stacy Keibler, you could see that Stacy was a little weirded out by him.
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