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Post by Cyno on Feb 18, 2022 11:43:30 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 18, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either. Who are you to doubt Coppola? Don't you remember the cars crashing into each other in Dune? |
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Post by Cyno on Feb 18, 2022 12:01:38 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either. Who are you to doubt Coppola? Don't you remember the cars crashing into each other in Dune? The Shai-Hulud drag race scene was wild. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 18, 2022 16:09:03 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either. Really not following the logic between "he couldn't remember the name of the director" and "he didn't see the movie." (also he's wrong about Dune, which was just so dumb.) I have a little bit of the feeling people are purposefully avoiding actually engaging with a perfectly reasonable, easily justifiable complaint about the McDonaldization of movies. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 18, 2022 16:27:40 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either. Really not following the logic between "he couldn't remember the name of the director" and "he didn't see the movie." (also he's wrong about Dune, which was just so dumb.) I have a little bit of the feeling people are purposefully avoiding actually engaging with a perfectly reasonable, easily justifiable complaint about the McDonaldization of movies. the fact that he mentioned hte car crashing into each other scene in Dune. Kinda points to him not seeing the movie, since THERE ARE NO CARS IN DUNE. Not to mention talking about how genre films tend to have genre film tropes in them can literally be applied to any movie at any point in time. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 18, 2022 17:17:48 GMT -5
The Godfather was brilliant, but he couldn't even be bothered to get Cary Fukunaga's name right. I think he just pulled two movie names out of his ass without seeing either. Really not following the logic between "he couldn't remember the name of the director" and "he didn't see the movie." (also he's wrong about Dune, which was just so dumb.) I have a little bit of the feeling people are purposefully avoiding actually engaging with a perfectly reasonable, easily justifiable complaint about the McDonaldization of movies. It's a weird thing where people are blaming, like, the people making the films or the films themselves than the system that's basically fueling this whole thing. Directors making smaller, critically acclaimed projects to go onto do blockbusters is a thing since Hollywood started (well, not Golden-Age, that was McDonaldization in its purest form) so them not doing that isn't going to suddenly change the system. It's just this idea of that's all there is and everything else is for streaming which is...weird? And I get the thing about the economy and finding things that people know etc but, I mean, that stuff you liked was once unsafe, you know? |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 18, 2022 17:19:59 GMT -5
I think they should let people enjoy Marvel movies if they want to and keep their mouths shut but that's just me.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 18, 2022 17:23:59 GMT -5
The non-Marvel movies are, at least 75% of the time, just remakes and sequels anyway. Let's stop acting like Marvel movies are the only rote things coming out of the entertainment industry, Hollywood.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 18, 2022 17:53:55 GMT -5
Pretentious directors continue to embarrass themselves.
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Post by eJm on Feb 18, 2022 17:57:23 GMT -5
The non-Marvel movies are, at least 75% of the time, just remakes and sequels anyway. Let's stop acting like Marvel movies are the only rote things coming out of the entertainment industry, Hollywood. I mean...that's sort of the wider problem, right? And the thing that feels like gets ignored in this discussion by almost everyone. |
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Post by Cyno on Feb 18, 2022 18:05:02 GMT -5
That's the biggest swing and a miss with all these "Marvel Ruined Cinema!" discourse by these directors. Marvel is the symptom of the problem, not the cause.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 18, 2022 18:09:59 GMT -5
But like, what's the actual complaint here? That there's too many Marvel movies? It's a progressing cinematic universe, that's like, the point.
And I think really, the most base counter-argument to make here is you can still make original IP movies while Marvel movies and sequels are a thing. Free Guy was its own thing and look how well that did. Hell, with streaming services, it's easier than ever to have a platform for movies. It's weird to me this notion of "Well, people just wanna see superhero films and sequels!". Make something compelling enough to garner attention.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 18, 2022 18:11:04 GMT -5
Really not following the logic between "he couldn't remember the name of the director" and "he didn't see the movie." (also he's wrong about Dune, which was just so dumb.) I have a little bit of the feeling people are purposefully avoiding actually engaging with a perfectly reasonable, easily justifiable complaint about the McDonaldization of movies. the fact that he mentioned hte car crashing into each other scene in Dune. Kinda points to him not seeing the movie, since THERE ARE NO CARS IN DUNE. Not to mention talking about how genre films tend to have genre film tropes in them can literally be applied to any movie at any point in time. He's talking about cinematic language, how action scenes look more similar to one another than they used to. He might be wrong (I think he is definitely not), but harping on the cars thing when he's just trying to describe the point off the top of his head is unfair. Yeah, but that used to mean Steven Spielberg making Close Encounters or Tim Burton making Batman or David Lynch making Dune or Jeunet making that Alien movie or Joe Dante making Gremlins. Directors who in most cases were able to keep their particular style and voice FAR more than anyone gets to, today. (in movies, that is. there is much more freedom on television, which you can see by just looking at the difference in quality and distinctiveness for Marvel's TV shows vs their films) That used to be rewarded. Now it's not. And... I don't think he IS criticizing the directors? He's criticizing the machine. A machine made up of distributors, advertisers, and market researchers. He knows perfectly well that Cary Fukunaga could and would make more interesting car chases if he had his druthers. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 18, 2022 18:18:57 GMT -5
I think they should let people enjoy Marvel movies if they want to and keep their mouths shut but that's just me. Completely disagreed; there's certainly varying levels of criticism to be had here, some likely being better than others, but these are conversations that we as a moviegoing public really should be having. Notice that Coppola never said "you're dumb if you like Marvel" or "you shouldn't enjoy Marvel", he made a specific critique about the filmmaking process behind those movies...one which, yes, is pretty accurate, given that they bring in directors for a lot of those movies and then tell them to sit out about half the movie's run time and let the in-house effects team handle all that. It doesn't make those movies bad, but it means that there's a way of making these movies that leads to a lot of homogenization, and it's worth having public, visible conversations about what kind of effect that has on the moviegoing experience and the film industry as a whole. Coppola is a problematic figure in his own right, much like a lot of the other "anything I do in the name of art is justified!" auteur types of his era (Kubrick's treatment of Shelly Duvall in The Shining is sadly just the tip of the iceberg for that era), but I'm really put off by this whole "stop saying critical things about the movies I like" reaction that keeps popping up here. I'm not equating anybody here with this, but one of the major criticisms I had of the losers who spearheaded stupid things like "ethics in game journalism" discourse is that they were the kind of people who'd demand that their preferred medium be treated and respected as art, but would moan, scream, and harass people who dared offered criticisms of the medium through basic analytical lenses. Again, nobody here is anywhere near that planet of bad faith discourse and general idiocy, but generally dismissing discourse surrounding the dominant trends in a major medium like film just rubs me the wrong way. It reminds me of the guy who made the "Let people enjoy things" comic getting interviewed about that comic taking off as a meme; he was disappointed to see people using the meme panels of the comic to cut off general discourse and criticism of media, since that's not how he intended it to be used. But like, what's the actual complaint here? That there's too many Marvel movies? It's a progressing cinematic universe, that's like, the point. And I think really, the most base counter-argument to make here is you can still make original IP movies while Marvel movies and sequels are a thing. Free Guy was its own thing and look how well that did. Hell, with streaming services, it's easier than ever to have a platform for movies. It's weird to me this notion of "Well, people just wanna see superhero films and sequels!". Make something compelling enough to garner attention. Ok, but like, the whole point is that outside of a few exceptions like Free Guy, you basically can't anymore. We've been over this a lot in this thread, but the simple reality is that there is less and less variety in the kinds of films that studios are willing to put money and advertising into. A few can get through the cracks, and it's great when they do (I had fun going to the movies pre-pandemic to see movies like Baby Driver and Knives Out, for example), but those are rarer and rarer and rarer nowadays, moreso than literally ever before. "Just make a more interesting movie idea" doesn't work when next to nobody will fund anything that isn't a pre-established concept. And I really do think we need to stop getting caught up on people using Marvel as their main example; I have to think that directors like Coppola aren't singling out Marvel, they're just using the biggest box office force to talk about the much larger things at play in the industry as a whole. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2022 13:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Mar 23, 2022 17:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2022 17:46:16 GMT -5
Scorsese would definitely make a movie about marbles. |
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