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Post by agent817 on Dec 31, 2021 19:51:43 GMT -5
Note: I could have put this on the WWE board, but I am taking about in general, dating back decades. So I'm doing this thread here.
Many people have said that WWE often chooses not to acknowledge other promotions. It had been that way in the late-1990s when they started beating WCW. But there were times when they took shots at WCW. Sometime last year I watched episodes of Raw from 1995 to 1996 and seeing those New Generation commercials with the Huckster and the Nacho Man (which were also precursors to the Attitude commercials that would come in 1998 and 1999), it was during the time the WWF was losing to WCW in the ratings.
I remember reading somewhere that during Summerslam 1998, when the cameras focused on some people in the crowd, they caught some Knicks players. The review had noted that Jim Ross said something along the lines of "no basketball players will be in the ring tonight" as a shot to WCW when they had Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman in that tag match at Bash at the Beach that same year.
Gillberg, enough said.
What other examples were there? They could also be from earlier. I wonder if the WWF had taken shots at the NWA during the 1980s.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 31, 2021 19:59:55 GMT -5
In the 80s the shots were more direct. Creating PPVs to block JCP's early attempts. Giving other conpanies' stars demeaning gimmicks and/or no pushes.
Would it count to mention briefly shortening Harley Race's name to just "The King" so they could say, um, "Coming to Memphis this weekend...THE KING!"
The WWF Magazine issue when they talk about how Yokozuna ran Hulk Hogan out of the WWF, and Hogan would soon be in a place where past their prime superstars compete.
Seems there were more when the Attitude Era began.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2021 20:45:01 GMT -5
Billionaire Ted comes to mind. It's not like I don't get the urge to lampoon the competition, so it's not like I am personally offended, but it was unfunny, wasted valuable time, and also probably unsavory to fans who had remaining respect for Hogan and Savage.
I do think it was partially successful, however, when it came to painting both men as dated and old to a lot of fans. It's as they say, "You're not immune to propaganda", and on this front, this helped contribute to the idea of WCW being the old guy show over time. WCW would also do plenty of damage themselves there, though, so it's not like it deserves that much credit.
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 31, 2021 22:28:40 GMT -5
I don't think I can count the number of times in 1997-98 that JR made snarky comments along the lines of, "These are elite athletes in their prime, not geriatrics standing around posing!"
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 31, 2021 22:57:33 GMT -5
I don't think I can count the number of times in 1997-98 that JR made snarky comments along the lines of, "These are elite athletes in their prime, not geriatrics standing around posing!" On the topic I can remember a heck of a lot more snarky comments (usually by JR) on NWA/WCW programs at the time.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 31, 2021 23:05:39 GMT -5
Kurt Angle made a TNA shot on Raw a few years ago. But I don't know if that counts because TNA was on death's door at the time and the furthest thing from competition.
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 31, 2021 23:06:00 GMT -5
I don't think I can count the number of times in 1997-98 that JR made snarky comments along the lines of, "These are elite athletes in their prime, not geriatrics standing around posing!" On the topic I can remember a heck of a lot more snarky comments (usually by JR) on NWA/WCW programs at the time. I forgot about that. Yeah, JR would sling shit from whatever side he was working for.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2021 23:10:07 GMT -5
On the topic I can remember a heck of a lot more snarky comments (usually by JR) on NWA/WCW programs at the time. I forgot about that. Yeah, JR would sling shit from whatever side he was working for. It's kind of funny in that, a lot of fans take umbrage with that, but whether or not it's harsh, what he said generally had an element of truth in it. It's not like WWF or WCW had any shortage of things going on to make cheap shots about.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 31, 2021 23:20:27 GMT -5
Lawler referring to ECW as “Extremely Crappy Wrestling” and Vince referring to the nWo as “a clothing line” on the ECW Raw.
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 1, 2022 2:14:37 GMT -5
It was so weird with the WWE taking shots at the older stars considering that Piper was on the payroll at the time, and Bret wasn't exactly a spring chicken.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 1, 2022 4:42:10 GMT -5
It was so weird with the WWE taking shots at the older stars considering that Piper was on the payroll at the time, and Bret wasn't exactly a spring chicken. I guess the idea with Bret is that he was new-ish to the main event, making him feel fresher. Piper, I'll give you, though. His feud with Lawler really kind of laid bare how corny and old a lot of his act had become.
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Jan 1, 2022 4:49:04 GMT -5
Not exactly direct competition, but during the baseball strike in 1994 WWE ran commercials about how their superstars don't go on strike. And then they had the Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz character
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 1, 2022 6:53:13 GMT -5
Do X-Pac's "shoot" promos when he came back in 98 count? Asking Hall and Nash to come back as they wouldn't be under Hulk's creative control bs and such?
(for the record, all of those promos are terrible and the worst part of RAW at the time, re-watching it after decades of shoot and worked shoot promos)
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 1, 2022 7:16:47 GMT -5
During the first ECW one Night stand I count it since it was WWE who put on the show. Joey Styles called Kid Kash Total Nonstop Attitude. Kash just had left TNA when the show happened and was because he had an attitude problem. I believe during the NXT when it replaced WWECW and was competition. Low Ki as Kaval I believe he was Total Non Stop action when he cut a free style rap style promo on the rest of the cast. D-X Hall of Fame speech took shots at Billy Gunn who just signed with AEW. HHH said that Vince would buy that little company just to fire you again. Than Shawn said something about him being All In. John Cena threaten that if he was no longer welcome in WWE and Vince was going to fire him. He keep doing what he does on another on a TV show "brother" during the time Hogan was running TNA.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 1, 2022 11:30:52 GMT -5
There's a Smackdown from late '99 where Vince says he'd rather join DUBYA CEE DUBYA than join DX.
At Survior Series '98, I can't remember if it's JR or King who says something along the lines of "our main event isn't going to get cut off".
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Post by sungod2020 on Jan 1, 2022 12:18:25 GMT -5
Would The Rock talking about how Chris Jericho was wrestling some guy named "Juventud" when he was in "the other promotion" count as a jab?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 1, 2022 12:30:00 GMT -5
Whenever Mene Gene would leave a promotion (AWA, WWF) he would bash them to media by refering to his previous employer as rinky dink or a cottage industry.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 1, 2022 16:33:11 GMT -5
I mean, the most obvious one is “Pfft. That’ll put butts in the seats”
- I guess I did it wrong. That WCW at WWF. I forgot the topic.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jan 1, 2022 18:20:39 GMT -5
Lawler trashing ECW true it was for a storyline but still
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 2, 2022 13:39:05 GMT -5
In the 80s/early 90s, seemed like JCP/WCW did this the most, actually.
"NWA, We Wrestle!" JR talking about bodybuilders and rock stars all the time. The one liner about how "Sting was once in a team called the Blade Runners, I bet his partner hasn't come as far!"
In the early 90s, the NYC version of WCW Pro Wrestling doubled down on this, as you had the announcers (JR and Paul E. usually) name dropping people presently in the WWF, wondering if Hulk Hogan could take Lex Luger, for instance. When Flair left, Paul E. would occasionally break out in an imitation mocking the real world champion angle ("WOOOO! I got my own belt and I retired undefeated!") They also buried the departing One Man Gang by crediting PN News for running him out of town. Never mind they weren't even feuding at the time.
Global had a more pacifistic approach, as they mentioned other companies but just to build the reputations of the wrestlers there.
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