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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 13, 2022 10:47:00 GMT -5
2008-2009 Jeff Hardy was on fire. If you compare the two legends, it's funny how little they respected Jeff compared to Edge. If you look at their body of work, at his peak, was Jeff Hardy a bigger star than Edge was?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 13, 2022 10:47:41 GMT -5
Absolutely. Hardy was rivaling Cena at that point. Edge has had a great career but never came close to that as a face or a heel.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 13, 2022 11:35:14 GMT -5
Hardy was a bigger babyface than Edge ever was.
But Edge as a heel helped carry the entire company at times. Hardy never carried the company. He could not be trusted to.
Its hard to rank them when they had opposite alignments when they were at their peaks. I would say Edge was the bigger star but Hardy could have been if he could have been dependable.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 13, 2022 11:39:32 GMT -5
It's not apples to apples but I think Edge meant more to the WWE main event scene than Jeff Hardy, though. So I guess I'd say Edge was a bigger star on that alone.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 13, 2022 11:40:53 GMT -5
It's not apples to apples but I think Edge meant more to the WWE main event scene than Jeff Hardy, though. So I guess I'd say Edge was a bigger star on that alone. Its what you value. Jeff had a massive (relative in terms of non boom period) peak compared to Edge but Edge stuck around the ME scene longer due to not having the issues Jeff had |
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 13, 2022 11:42:19 GMT -5
Man, if Jeff didn’t have demons he’d be the absolute face of a large chunk of wrestling history.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 13, 2022 11:42:53 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy's heights of popularity have been higher than Edge's have been, I say with no hesitation. Edge has been more consistent, though, perhaps.
Neither guy is chopped liver or anything, though, obviously. We're talking two guys who have been consistently among the most talked about wrestlers of their generation.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 13, 2022 11:53:51 GMT -5
It's not apples to apples but I think Edge meant more to the WWE main event scene than Jeff Hardy, though. So I guess I'd say Edge was a bigger star on that alone. Its what you value. Jeff had a massive (relative in terms of non boom period) peak compared to Edge but Edge stuck around the ME scene longer due to not having the issues Jeff had Yeah, that's a good point. I just think for me it's hard to have the debate because I feel strongly that Edge has him beat on both tenure and peak. Obviously, Edge had a pretty monster run from 2005-2011 with a bunch of titles, main events, etc. He was a focal point of the company. If you really want to try and compare peaks, Edge's 2008 with Undertaker in the WrestleMania main event, TLC, and the SummerSlam HIAC to me beats anything that Jeff did in 08 or 09. Jeff had the cinderella story and that was great but I still think Edge's got him beat based on how well his 2008 went alone. Edge was always the most hated guy on Smackdown whenever he was a heel. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 13, 2022 11:56:08 GMT -5
Absolutely no question about it. Edge has the accolades but Jeff is the much bigger star
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 13, 2022 11:57:17 GMT -5
More than likely, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 11:58:32 GMT -5
Jeff was a bigger star in a short burst but Edge like said has the consistency and longevity.
Different variables alter the debate.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 13, 2022 11:59:38 GMT -5
Its what you value. Jeff had a massive (relative in terms of non boom period) peak compared to Edge but Edge stuck around the ME scene longer due to not having the issues Jeff had Yeah, that's a good point. I just think for me it's hard to have the debate because I feel strongly that Edge has him beat on both tenure and peak. Obviously, Edge had a pretty monster run from 2005-2011 with a bunch of titles, main events, etc. He was a focal point of the company. If you really want to try and compare peaks, Edge's 2008 with Undertaker in the WrestleMania main event, TLC, and the SummerSlam HIAC beat anything that Jeff did in 08 or 09. Jeff had the cinderella story and that was great but I still think Edge's got him beat. Edge was always the most hated guy on Smackdown whenever he was a heel. I mean the question of peak is interesting in wrestling. I mean other then Hogan and Austin I don't see anyone being a sole money maker that way. So we can always argue who drew what and by how much. Plus I don't own WWE stock or get a check from them based on how they do so the details on that end is meaningless so we are arguing feeling, entertainment. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 13, 2022 12:02:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a good point. I just think for me it's hard to have the debate because I feel strongly that Edge has him beat on both tenure and peak. Obviously, Edge had a pretty monster run from 2005-2011 with a bunch of titles, main events, etc. He was a focal point of the company. If you really want to try and compare peaks, Edge's 2008 with Undertaker in the WrestleMania main event, TLC, and the SummerSlam HIAC beat anything that Jeff did in 08 or 09. Jeff had the cinderella story and that was great but I still think Edge's got him beat. Edge was always the most hated guy on Smackdown whenever he was a heel. I mean the question of peak is interesting in wrestling. I mean other then Hogan and Austin I don't see anyone being a sole money maker that way. So we can always argue who drew what and by how much. Plus I don't own WWE stock or get a check from them based on how they do so the details on that end is meaningless so we are arguing feeling, entertainment. Yeah, who knows. personally, I think Jeff benefitted from people always enjoying the underdog story and being happy to see him beat his demons and win the big one, but I wonder how long they could have actually run with him. He was never a good promo to me and I think that's a lot of what he would have needed to do to carry the show. In any event, it's a good debate because I actually don't think there's an objectively right answer here. Kudos to the OP. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 13, 2022 12:05:44 GMT -5
Jeff was a bigger star in a short burst but Edge like said has the consistency and longevity. Different variables alter the debate. I also wonder if they didn't cut Edge's first run short and actually extended Cena/Edge to Mania instead of going with that boring HHH match if things would be viewed differently. When Edge beat Cena that first time everybody lost their minds. |
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Post by Garyspivey on Jan 13, 2022 12:08:44 GMT -5
If you look strictly edge’s peak vs Hardy’s peak, hardy was bigger, it’s almost like saying would you rather have a single $100 bill or 8 20’s
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 13, 2022 12:14:10 GMT -5
Numbers wise Edge was bigger. His biggest feuds (Cena, Undertaker) drew a lot more than Hardy's biggest feuds (Punk, HHH). Summerslam 2009 headlined by Hardy got over 100,000 buys less than Summerslam 2008 with Edge in the main event. Armageddon 2007 with Edge winning the title in the main event got almost 50,000 buys more than Armageddon 2008 with Hardy winning the title in the main event.
Jeff Hardy at his peak in late 2008/2009 "felt" like a bigger star to me though. The thing he has on Edge is he showed he could be a successful main event babyface which Edge never really was arguably until this current run. Edge was a great heel but his babyface runs in 2004 and 2010 were terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 12:18:28 GMT -5
Apples and oranges. Jeff was usually an unambiguous face and Edge was more the heel a show was built around. As it is, when Edge was at his biggest, he was sort of leaching off of Lita's heat.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 13, 2022 12:42:20 GMT -5
At his peak, yes. But his peak lasted a shorter time than Edge, mostly down to his personal issues.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 13, 2022 13:56:52 GMT -5
I think Edge was a bigger star if you’re talking about kayfabe credibility-wise, importance to the show, and being featured higher on the card. Jeff was more over as a face at his peak but I wouldn’t necessarily equate overness with him being a bigger star.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 13, 2022 14:50:39 GMT -5
While Edge ended up being more valuable in the long term, there really aren’t many folks touching Jeff during his peak popularity outside of a certain few names.
You kinda just had to be there. Mans was putting up numbers just as big, if not bigger, than any Cena-centric ppv.
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