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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 9:44:07 GMT -5
Which is a billion dollars? This rhetoric is what always is interesting to me...They had their best year ever in spite of all the people you mentioned. The vocal demographic is not their target audience... Who is their demographic? Not wrestling fans, they've been alienated for years. Not the live audience, their attendances are dropping pre & post pandemic (& most house shows have been cut entirely) Not the casual TV viewers, their ratings have been getting record lows. How, exactly, was 2021 WWE's best year ever? Creatively it was stale, there have been other years with better matches, bigger stars, larger crowds, more mainstream stars & appeal. The only possible metric you can say WWE had it's 'best year' was by cash generated, & the only reason they had that is because it was gifted to them by TV execs who don't watch the product, & a Saudi Prince who thinks they still book Yokozuna. Oh, and firing hundreds of employees at the most unethical time possible. Unfortunately we live in a world (atleast in Corporate America) where nearly none of what you stated matters as long as the numbers are high and these are by all accounts and purposes the highest numbers they have ever generated. They are basically McDonalds at this point. They dont have to get better as long as numbers are skyrocketing and they blanket as much of the Earth as possible. They are a corporation that sells nostalgia and the hope of wrestling to wrestling fans in the most selfish way possible...Their growth as an "entertainment company" is staggering...Unfortunately, they have also become synonymous with "wrestling" even though they haven't put on a wrestling product for decades it feels like.. at least where I am at in Illinois they are perceived like the NBA/NFL as the "pros" and the other shows like TNA and now AEW have been constantly treated as if they are the minor leagues except by the extremely vocal minority. As wild as it sounds, the general public I interact with is either apathetic ("i used to be a fan" as if wwe is the industry itself) or they actually enjoy this watered-down version of WWE. Hell I have a large selection of people in my family and circles that only watch WWE because a spouse does, their friends do, or just plain out of habit. Most genuinely express frustration week in and week out on Facebook but continue to watch which defeats the entire purpose of pushing for change.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 4, 2022 10:53:27 GMT -5
Maybe if a journalist with WWE sources is saying people are unhappy backstage it's because people are actually not happy, and not some ploy to tell reddit users what they want to hear. Unless it's SCJerk they want to hear the opposite. I didn't know what this so I googled it and now my morning is significantly worse! Thanks!
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 4, 2022 10:59:57 GMT -5
It’s not the fan’s job to care about how much money WWE is making from the Saudi’s or whatever. It’s fans job to say if the onscreen product is entertaining or not.
Likewise it is not the wrestlers job to care either. Especially since they are very much underpaid as well.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 4, 2022 11:00:07 GMT -5
Unless it's SCJerk they want to hear the opposite. I didn't know what this so I googled it and now my morning is significantly worse! Thanks! SCJerk is like an unholy union of Cornette stans and E-Drones. It's the literal worst.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:33:43 GMT -5
The company is in a real bad place right now. Maybe the worst I've ever seen it. It's clear even by watching the TV shows, how badly things are managed backstage. They have built up the likes of Roman, Brock, Charlotte and Becky to god-like heights and its at the point where there's absolutely no credible contenders for them. So they have to keep bringing part timers like Ronda, Goldberg and others back to create "money matches" or simply keep doing Brock vs Roman and Charlotte vs Becky. If they managed things correctly over the past 2 years, Those money matches could've been Keith Lee, Adam Cole, Karrion Kross, John Morrison, Toni Storm, etc but no. They had to treat them like garbage and then release them. Then you take into account how bad they've used the likes of Balor, Ricochet, Nakamura etc who could've all been main eventers by now. The company deserves everything it gets. Which is a billion dollars? This rhetoric is what always is interesting to me...They had their best year ever in spite of all the people you mentioned. The vocal demographic is not their target audience... The Saudi deal has a lot to do with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:36:09 GMT -5
Which is a billion dollars? This rhetoric is what always is interesting to me...They had their best year ever in spite of all the people you mentioned. The vocal demographic is not their target audience... The Saudi deal has a lot to do with that. And the TV deals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:37:16 GMT -5
Which is a billion dollars? This rhetoric is what always is interesting to me...They had their best year ever in spite of all the people you mentioned. The vocal demographic is not their target audience... The Saudi deal has a lot to do with that. It still does not change the fact that it is financially accurate and unfortunately that is the future of the WWE. Money, not people. This is no longer a company or even a figurehead that is leveraging everything for WrestleMania...They do not need the fans and showed that by how well they have done during this pandemic.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 4, 2022 11:56:33 GMT -5
"WWE had its best year ever financially" and "WWE is being managed like an absolute trash fire with a product at its absolute worst, something should change" are not mutually exclusive statements. If they will make money literally no matter what, then there becomes no reason to not clean up their act and treat the people who work for them better, and give the fans something worth watching.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 4, 2022 11:59:01 GMT -5
Unless it's SCJerk they want to hear the opposite. I didn't know what this so I googled it and now my morning is significantly worse! Thanks! Glad I could be of assistance.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 4, 2022 12:02:34 GMT -5
Unless it's SCJerk they want to hear the opposite. They probably love it too because it's more ammo for them against journos who are being mean about poor, downtrodden, maligned WWE. That's legit a parody sub right? I've always viewed it that way...
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 4, 2022 12:05:43 GMT -5
Shane leaves and the morale hits an all-time low? I'm not surprised. I hear guys were queueing up to sell his air punches.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 4, 2022 12:10:52 GMT -5
They probably love it too because it's more ammo for them against journos who are being mean about poor, downtrodden, maligned WWE. That's legit a parody sub right? I've always viewed it that way... So it claims, but really I think it's largely a hive of irritating contrarian dweebs whose interest in wrestling is largely rooted in tossing themselves and each other off because they're thinking against the "hivemind" on SC.
I was personally the target of a brief but ardent campaign of harassment from one of the neeks from SCJerk after he got banned from both subs for his behaviour towards me. My crime was questioning the long-term viability of WWE's broadcasting contract. That was fun.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 4, 2022 12:19:17 GMT -5
"WWE had its best year ever financially" and "WWE is being managed like an absolute trash fire with a product at its absolute worst, something should change" are not mutually exclusive statements. If they will make money literally no matter what, then there becomes no reason to not clean up their act and treat the people who work for them better, and give the fans something worth watching. Treating people with respect take empathy and making the product better takes work. And both will cost a little bit more. Better to keep on this path that seems to be working fine. Im sure everything will be just the same in the future. And if not thats future peoples problem.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 4, 2022 12:20:48 GMT -5
"WWE had its best year ever financially" and "WWE is being managed like an absolute trash fire with a product at its absolute worst, something should change" are not mutually exclusive statements. If they will make money literally no matter what, then there becomes no reason to not clean up their act and treat the people who work for them better, and give the fans something worth watching. Treating people with respect take empathy and making the product better takes work. And both will cost a little bit more. Better to keep on this path that seems to be working fine. Im sure everything will be just the same in the future. And if not thats future peoples problem.The bolded bit is literally what Nick Khan says every night before bed, I guarantee that.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 4, 2022 12:23:01 GMT -5
Treating people with respect take empathy and making the product better takes work. And both will cost a little bit more. Better to keep on this path that seems to be working fine. Im sure everything will be just the same in the future. And if not thats future peoples problem.The bolded bit is literally what Nick Khan says every night before bed, I guarantee that. Nick Khan looks like the corporate head hunter. Comes in, fires people, changes departments to fire more people increases profits company sold. Those people don't care about long-term.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 4, 2022 12:30:31 GMT -5
The bolded bit is literally what Nick Khan says every night before bed, I guarantee that. Nick Khan looks like the corporate head hunter. Comes in, fires people, changes departments to fire more people increases profits company sold. Those people don't care about long-term. Oh yeah, that's exactly it. The long-term well-being of this company doesn't matter. He's here to cut major deals, cut major budgets, make a bunch of money in performance bonuses for getting share prices to a certain level, and then leave before the chickens come home to roost. By the time the damage really makes itself apparent he'll already be gone and someone else will have to clean up his mess and take the fall. Mark my words, Nick Khan is going to be, in a few years, one of those mythically maligned figures in wrestling.
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Post by r. on Feb 4, 2022 12:32:43 GMT -5
Recently I got a link to a private WWE survey; I'm starting to think my choices might be limited... thumbsnap.com/f/CU9aU1rZ
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Post by CeilingFan on Feb 4, 2022 12:32:59 GMT -5
Nick Khan looks like the corporate head hunter. Comes in, fires people, changes departments to fire more people increases profits company sold. Those people don't care about long-term. Oh yeah, that's exactly it. The long-term well-being of this company doesn't matter. He's here to cut major deals, cut major budgets, make a bunch of money in performance bonuses for getting share prices to a certain level, and then leave before the chickens come home to roost. By the time the damage really makes itself apparent he'll already be gone and someone else will have to clean up his mess and take the fall. Mark my words, Nick Khan is going to be, in a few years, one of those mythically maligned figures in wrestling. Just like Jamie Kellner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 12:37:50 GMT -5
Khan is here to inflate numbers , not run a wrestling company and I highly doubt he wants to be saddled with this mess.
IF the company sells he will have done his job he was specifically brought in for but if not then I still stand by that the successors (especially now after what happened with Shane) will be Khan as CEO and Stephanie as Chairman of the board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 12:41:31 GMT -5
They probably love it too because it's more ammo for them against journos who are being mean about poor, downtrodden, maligned WWE. That's legit a parody sub right? I've always viewed it that way... It started out that way, but gradually evolved into the Gathering of The Jimmalos that it is today.
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