lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 10, 2022 19:03:19 GMT -5
For some reason Spider-Man No Way Home is not nominated for best picture so yeah, don’t give a shit about the Oscars Let’s not overvalue No Way Home here. It’s a great superhero movie, but one of the 10 best from an overall quality and storytelling standpoint? No way. I mean to be fair another man's trash is another persons Best Picture. Plus I do think the bias of the Academy voters (a majority of the voters are still old white men, although its getting better) willstart to wane over years and I won't be surprised if more popular films get some nods
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 10, 2022 23:22:30 GMT -5
No hyperbole, Power of the Dog is the worst movie I’ve ever seen in my life. Not talking B movies and the like. But holy crap
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 11, 2022 1:50:23 GMT -5
Let’s not overvalue No Way Home here. It’s a great superhero movie, but one of the 10 best from an overall quality and storytelling standpoint? No way. I mean to be fair another man's trash is another persons Best Picture. Plus I do think the bias of the Academy voters (a majority of the voters are still old white men, although its getting better) willstart to wane over years and I won't be surprised if more popular films get some nods I love superheroes and superhero movies, so there’s no bias. Personally though? I don’t think many of them, if any have ever been best picture quality. I’m not really behind the idea of action films starting to be nominated for major acting and picture Oscars. That’s not what they’re made for.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2022 3:00:17 GMT -5
I love superheroes and superhero movies, so there’s no bias. Personally though? I don’t think many of them, if any have ever been best picture quality. I’m not really behind the idea of action films starting to be nominated for major acting and picture Oscars. That’s not what they’re made for. To use the old food analogy, there's some truly fantastic fast food joints out there which will serve you some of the best food you'll ever eat, but they're never going to be awarded Michelin stars, and that's okay. Blockbusters don't need to be Best Picture winners, plain and simple.
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Post by newbombturk on Feb 11, 2022 4:09:08 GMT -5
No hyperbole, Power of the Dog is the worst movie I’ve ever seen in my life. Not talking B movies and the like. But holy crap I hear ya. Cinematography and acting (especially Cumberbatch) were good to great but I found the movie to be a pretentious bore.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 11, 2022 4:34:11 GMT -5
I love superheroes and superhero movies, so there’s no bias. Personally though? I don’t think many of them, if any have ever been best picture quality. I’m not really behind the idea of action films starting to be nominated for major acting and picture Oscars. That’s not what they’re made for. To use the old food analogy, there's some truly fantastic fast food joints out there which will serve you some of the best food you'll ever eat, but they're never going to be awarded Michelin stars, and that's okay. Blockbusters don't need to be Best Picture winners, plain and simple. I'm not in the "No Way Home and Endgame shoulda been Best Picture locks!" camp, but I'll at least say I've seen many performances in major tentpole movies that I felt were noteworthy and often rivaled stuff I've seen in smaller productions.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2022 4:56:48 GMT -5
I'm not in the "No Way Home and Endgame shoulda been Best Picture locks!" camp, but I'll at least say I've seen many performances in major tentpole movies that I felt were noteworthy and often rivaled stuff I've seen in smaller productions. Oh, for sure. There's definitely performances that don't get the recognition they deserve because of the kind of movies that they're in, but I figure everything balances out. Outstanding performances all too often are in movies which make little to no money, so I won't begrudge them getting a some preferential shine come awards season.
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Post by eJm on Feb 11, 2022 5:23:28 GMT -5
I'm not in the "No Way Home and Endgame shoulda been Best Picture locks!" camp, but I'll at least say I've seen many performances in major tentpole movies that I felt were noteworthy and often rivaled stuff I've seen in smaller productions. Oh, for sure. There's definitely performances that don't get the recognition they deserve because of the kind of movies that they're in, but I figure everything balances out. Outstanding performances all too often are in movies which make little to no money, so I won't begrudge them getting a some preferential shine come awards season. It’s where I stood on the subject, really. It’s more charitable in a wider sense to give those films, films where actors can flex a bit more acting wise, the shine than just giving it to films that have their time in the sun. Like, would No Way Home have a boost in legend with an acting or film Oscar to add to the fact it’s one of the highest grossing films of all time, heading towards being the highest grossing MCU film ever? Not really. Tom Holland winning an Oscar for No Way Home also isn’t going to boost his status as a name in Hollywood like it did for someone like Brie Larson either when he’s already got a queue of people trying to get him in their new blockbuster and such.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 11, 2022 5:39:21 GMT -5
It’s where I stood on the subject, really. It’s more charitable in a wider sense to give those films, films where actors can flex a bit more acting wise, the shine than just giving it to films that have their time in the sun. Like, would No Way Home have a boost in legend with an acting or film Oscar to add to the fact it’s one of the highest grossing films of all time, heading towards being the highest grossing MCU film ever? Not really. Tom Holland winning an Oscar for No Way Home also isn’t going to boost his status as a name in Hollywood like it did for someone like Brie Larson either when he’s already got a queue of people trying to get him in their new blockbuster and such. Exactly, and a lot of actors work on that premise. Benedict Cumberbatch does one or two MCU movies per year because the huge salary he gets from them makes it easier for him to make the half-dozen commercially-limited movies per year where he can turn out those award-nominated performances. Tom Hiddleston's Loki money lets him spend most of the year on stage. A decade of playing Captain America has allowed Chris Evans to dedicate his time since stepping away to doing passion projects and make his Broadway debut.
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Post by eJm on Feb 11, 2022 18:40:25 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2022 19:06:01 GMT -5
Well not anyone involved but as Smith mentioned the Oscar's are losing viewers pretty hard a few popular choices as noms couldn't hurt.
Like I says earlier though I almost guarantee that was how Dune got nominated.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2022 19:08:48 GMT -5
No hyperbole, Power of the Dog is the worst movie I’ve ever seen in my life. Not talking B movies and the like. But holy crap I hear ya. Cinematography and acting (especially Cumberbatch) were good to great but I found the movie to be a pretentious bore. So your typical Oscarbait?
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Post by eJm on Feb 11, 2022 19:10:33 GMT -5
Well not anyone involved but as Smith mentioned the Oscar's are losing viewers pretty hard a few popular choices as noms couldn't hurt. Like I says earlier though I almost guarantee that was how Dune got nominated. Sure, but it’s hard for me to think that anything like that would make a significant difference? Maybe I’m not seeing the wood for the trees but it wouldn’t be seen in the same way Black Panther was when it got nominated. And I’d argue it gained a bigger rep for being one of the few blockbusters that was showing in cinemas by the end of the year because people were seeing that thing a lot. Because it’s not like there aren’t awards that are for popular stuff, the People’s Choice Awards and the MTV Movie Awards are still things.
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Post by eJm on Feb 11, 2022 19:11:24 GMT -5
I hear ya. Cinematography and acting (especially Cumberbatch) were good to great but I found the movie to be a pretentious bore. So your typical Oscarbait? I don’t blame you for saying it but I can’t think of a dorkier term in the movie lexicon than “oscarbait”.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 11, 2022 19:35:50 GMT -5
The Oscars did used to have popular movies represented each year, sometimes even winning "bigger" awards, but for the last however many years (decades?) it's made up of a majority of things I've never heard of. I'm not a cineaste, but I did still know what most of the movies were however long ago. The pendulum has swung so far away from that, it's a miracle they have anyone watching the show at all. I think the name used to have weight behind it, but now it's just another particularly pretentious Hollywood back patting session.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2022 19:50:30 GMT -5
The Oscars did used to have popular movies represented each year, sometimes even winning "bigger" awards, but for the last however many years (decades?) it's made up of a majority of things I've never heard of. I'm not a cineaste, but I did still know what most of the movies were however long ago. The pendulum has swung so far away from that, it's a miracle they have anyone watching the show at all. I think the name used to have weight behind it, but now it's just another particularly pretentious Hollywood back patting session. Yeah, and again they extended the categories to have 10 nominees... you can't throw some of the more popular movies in there even if they likely aren't going to win? (Though for the third time I am still convinced that was Dune... it's arty enough to fly under the radar but it's a total dork movie for dorks... so we're throwing them a bone <_< )
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Post by cosmo on Feb 11, 2022 20:26:41 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, with the Academy's usual snubbing of blockbusters for the top awards, part of me thinks Black Panther got nominated for Best Picture so they could avoid another #OscarsSoWhite controversy.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 11, 2022 20:55:42 GMT -5
The Oscars did used to have popular movies represented each year, sometimes even winning "bigger" awards, but for the last however many years (decades?) it's made up of a majority of things I've never heard of. I'm not a cineaste, but I did still know what most of the movies were however long ago. The pendulum has swung so far away from that, it's a miracle they have anyone watching the show at all. I think the name used to have weight behind it, but now it's just another particularly pretentious Hollywood back patting session. Yeah, and again they extended the categories to have 10 nominees... you can't throw some of the more popular movies in there even if they likely aren't going to win? (Though for the third time I am still convinced that was Dune... it's arty enough to fly under the radar but it's a total dork movie for dorks... so we're throwing them a bone <_< ) It's so much more ridiculous - and noticeable - that they raised the number of nominees, and this is still a valid criticism. I can totally see Dune being their "popular blockbuster regular guy's movie" nominee, which really just proves the point instead of negating it.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2022 21:40:27 GMT -5
The Oscars did used to have popular movies represented each year, sometimes even winning "bigger" awards, but for the last however many years (decades?) it's made up of a majority of things I've never heard of. I'm not a cineaste, but I did still know what most of the movies were however long ago. The pendulum has swung so far away from that, it's a miracle they have anyone watching the show at all. I think the name used to have weight behind it, but now it's just another particularly pretentious Hollywood back patting session. Yeah, both The Godfather and The Godfather Part II were really popular and they also each won Best Picture. I want to say only the hoity toity stuff getting nominated and winning started in the mid-90's as far as I could remember. Maybe the 80's.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 11, 2022 21:55:19 GMT -5
The Oscars did used to have popular movies represented each year, sometimes even winning "bigger" awards, but for the last however many years (decades?) it's made up of a majority of things I've never heard of. I'm not a cineaste, but I did still know what most of the movies were however long ago. The pendulum has swung so far away from that, it's a miracle they have anyone watching the show at all. I think the name used to have weight behind it, but now it's just another particularly pretentious Hollywood back patting session. Yeah, both The Godfather and The Godfather Part II were really popular and they also each won Best Picture. I want to say only the hoity toity stuff getting nominated and winning started in the mid-90's as far as I could remember. Maybe the 80's.
Taking a quick scan, it looks like the '80s and '90s struck a decent balance, maybe? Titanic won best picture in '97 and that movie was massive. The imbalance starts standing out to me (granted, I don't proclaim to be an expert by any means) from the '00s. It's like it seeped in slowly for a bit - maybe some would be nominated, but less of them and they usually didn't win - to less and less noms and finally to just full on "I haven't heard of 95% of these movies before this nominations announcement" territory. Also on-point for the time we live in now, creatively speaking, more than one of the Best Picture noms is a remake. I'm honestly amazed I've seen any movie that's been nominated in any way. It doesn't mean I care about who wins, because I rarely care about awards ceremonies, but if it's really noticeable to me, it must be noticeable to a lot of people.
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