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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2022 15:23:37 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar: the youngest person ever now that's a gimmick. i'm 25! there's never been anyone younger than 25! have you ever heard of someone younger? Not even babies are that young! |
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Post by msc on Feb 22, 2022 6:33:37 GMT -5
I loved this promo... though I don't think it lead anywhere iirc Hogan pinned Regal clean in about 3 minutes. No, checked it, over in 30 seconds when Taker interfered, and I don't think they ever returned to it. Regal wasn't yet in the UnAmericans when they beat Hogan and Edge for the belts iirc? |
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 22, 2022 12:06:34 GMT -5
I loved this promo... though I don't think it lead anywhere iirc Hogan pinned Regal clean in about 3 minutes. No, checked it, over in 30 seconds when Taker interfered, and I don't think they ever returned to it. Regal wasn't yet in the UnAmericans when they beat Hogan and Edge for the belts iirc? Hogan vs. William Regal is such a random pairing, especially in a post-Attitude Era RAW. It's a shame the match didn't even get underway. |
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Post by Chiral on Feb 22, 2022 19:08:30 GMT -5
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Post by chronocross on Feb 22, 2022 19:18:48 GMT -5
I loved this promo... though I don't think it lead anywhere iirc Hogan pinned Regal clean in about 3 minutes. No, checked it, over in 30 seconds when Taker interfered, and I don't think they ever returned to it. Regal wasn't yet in the UnAmericans when they beat Hogan and Edge for the belts iirc? Not just yet,the Un-Americans were still on Smackdown when they beat Hogan/Edge, they jumped to Raw the week after with the tag belts and Regal joined their group. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 22, 2022 19:53:33 GMT -5
ah yes my favorite character from X. |
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 24, 2022 11:50:44 GMT -5
ah yes my favorite character from X. That scene where Vince abducted Yuna and demanded her to kiss his ass made me want to see Tidus beat the hell out of Vince. |
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Feb 28, 2022 7:33:46 GMT -5
2002 really has become the template for WWE for the last 20 years... random people showing up sometimes, in weird gimmicks that one one remembers six months later; odd, underdeveloped characters from good workers who's push suddenly stops because of the terrible characters they had to play; a tag team starting to get over as a team, so they are inexplicably broken up before their time; out of ideas? draft time baby!; previous tag team reassembled because both men failed to gain any momentum from first break-up; low-to-midcard feud wrestling the same match on tv for like 8 or 9 weeks in a row; so many different announcers; underpushed guy creates something online that gets a small amount of buzz about himself to start to get himself over, only for that to be exploited and snuffed out as soon as it is shown on TV; then, there being some really great match in the middle of all of this.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 28, 2022 9:15:32 GMT -5
2002 really has become the template for WWE for the last 20 years... random people showing up sometimes, in weird gimmicks that one one remembers six months later; odd, underdeveloped characters from good workers who's push suddenly stops because of the terrible characters they had to play; a tag team starting to get over as a team, so they are inexplicably broken up before their time; out of ideas? draft time baby!; previous tag team reassembled because both men failed to gain any momentum from first break-up; low-to-midcard feud wrestling the same match on tv for like 8 or 9 weeks in a row; so many different announcers; underpushed guy creates something online that gets a small amount of buzz about himself to start to get himself over, only for that to be exploited and snuffed out as soon as it is shown on TV; then, there being some really great match in the middle of all of this. That's a good point you make. It was also the year I started questioning my fandom. I remember I brought up what was going on with the current WWE landscape at the time to the very same people I use to talk about weekly with and they responded like I was crazy for still liking it. I got the "you're still watching that crap" response. Don't get me wrong, I was still very much a fan well until the very end of the decade(though it got a little tiresome for me in 2006/7), but you can say 2002 was the very start of my decline. I remember in the very beginning of my interest waning/WWE's popularity declining that some sections of the IWC said wrestling is cyclical and they'll bounce back at some point, but it's been 20 years which means that gap between the last boom period and now is more than twice as long as the Rock n' Wrestling and Attitude Era. Hell, you might even say Rock n' Wrestling and the Bruno era(what were the numbers like then)? At this point, we should've had a boom period(maybe even two) by now, but to date, there's never been a boom period under the WWE banner, which is worrysome at best. |
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Feb 28, 2022 10:35:16 GMT -5
2002 really has become the template for WWE for the last 20 years... random people showing up sometimes, in weird gimmicks that one one remembers six months later; odd, underdeveloped characters from good workers who's push suddenly stops because of the terrible characters they had to play; a tag team starting to get over as a team, so they are inexplicably broken up before their time; out of ideas? draft time baby!; previous tag team reassembled because both men failed to gain any momentum from first break-up; low-to-midcard feud wrestling the same match on tv for like 8 or 9 weeks in a row; so many different announcers; underpushed guy creates something online that gets a small amount of buzz about himself to start to get himself over, only for that to be exploited and snuffed out as soon as it is shown on TV; then, there being some really great match in the middle of all of this. That's a good point you make. It was also the year I started questioning my fandom. I remember I brought up what was going on with the current WWE landscape at the time to the very same people I use to talk about weekly with and they responded like I was crazy for still liking it. I got the "you're still watching that crap" response. Don't get me wrong, I was still very much a fan well until the very end of the decade(though it got a little tiresome for me in 2006/7), but you can say 2002 was the very start of my decline. I remember in the very beginning of my interest waning/WWE's popularity declining that some sections of the IWC said wrestling is cyclical and they'll bounce back at some point, but it's been 20 years which means that gap between the last boom period and now is more than twice as long as the Rock n' Wrestling and Attitude Era. Hell, you might even say Rock n' Wrestling and the Bruno era(what were the numbers like then)? At this point, we should've had a boom period(maybe even two) by now, but to date, there's never been a boom period under the WWE banner, which is worrysome at best. There's been several times over the past 20 years where I've thought that we were going to get close to another boom period, but it never come to fruition. When you think about deeper though, the problem might be more of the way these kinds of things are gauged. The success of the Attitude Era was gauged by increased television ratings, increased revenue for television deals, increased revenue for merchandise, and the start of an internet presence. With 2022, even though television ratings are some of the lowest they've ever been, ratings are antiquated in terms of how popular a show can be. People, especially younger viewers, consume their media completely different. I, myself, don't have cable, so I stream RAW on the USA app a few days after the show airs. But, just look at the last TV deal WWE got from USA. Highest it's ever been. During the Attitude Era, wrestling shirts were available in retail stores like K-Mart and Gadzooks/Hot Topic/etc. Good luck finding a wrestling shirt in a store before 1996. Now? Just order it online, from your phone, which never leaves your hand now. It'll be here tomorrow. Why even go to the store? Most of the time a "boom" means that something came from nothing to be huge, for a short time, then it deflates into almost nothing again. I just don't think that once the Attitude Era boom started to deflate, it just didn't get as small as it did from the 1990-1995 levels after the Rock N Wrestling boom because many of the obstacles WWF/E faced in the early 90's just weren't there anymore. They created their own space and niche. I don't think we will ever see again a world where the latest, hottest wrestler's merchandise is all over school yards, or malls again. But, I just can't say that things are really dire when WWE has posted record profits for two years in a row (not a discussion on how they did that), how AEW has made some old fans come back into the fold with their exciting alternative to WWE (not a discussion of WWE vs. AEW), or how dozens of independent wrestling promotions are gaining fanbases based on live streaming and social media outreach (not a discussion on the quality of these shows). I think the bubble is getting bigger, but by just such small increments at a slow rate, that we can't tell since we are all in it. |
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