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Post by KME on Jul 13, 2023 18:46:31 GMT -5
You only have to look at someone like Takeshita to see how little difference it will make that he lost, he looked great in doing and that's really all that matters, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets his first win in a tag match with Darby over Swerve relatively soon tbh given the crossover last night. Don't think he'll get lost in the shuffle, certainly not long term, he's what he says on the tin, an absolute prodigy, he's been putting on amazing matches way before he even turned 18, his potential level in ring has got to be sky high. Don't think you can just dismiss his age when it's a USP for him, being their youngest worker, the level he's hit so young and the heights he could reach with so many years ahead of him.
Absolutely love his theme too.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 13, 2023 18:52:41 GMT -5
That was fast. Sounds like JRPG music mixed with rapping.
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Dukect
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Post by Dukect on Jul 14, 2023 1:43:34 GMT -5
How quickly does HHHunter send out feelers once this kid hits 18? And I don't mean Velveteen Dream... I wouldn't be surprised if conversations happened in WWE trying to get Nick Wayne. But it would be hilarious if they Straight up, replaced Austin Theory with Nick Wayne With no explanation.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 14, 2023 1:52:41 GMT -5
I’m not trying to be mean. But man, he’s gonna have a tough go standing out. There’s like 5 nick Wayne’s on this roster, lmaooo. Young (ok, not this young usually, lol), fun worker, good looking, has something resembling ring charisma, but that just doesn’t mean much when you’re in the ocean of talent. Not even being funny, best thing that could happen to him is a long losing streak where he keeps falling short before MJF or somebody picks on him for an easy dub and gets upset. At least that’s SOMETHING audiences can latch onto beyond White Meat Babyface #48 I get what you're saying but I think the relationship with Darby and maybe Sting is how he'll stand out in the near future. With Sting retiring soon there's a potentially interesting story to be told of Darby going from apprentice to master and hopefully Wayne will grow as a character as part of that.
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clifford
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Post by clifford on Jul 14, 2023 4:15:42 GMT -5
Anyone a little puzzled why they built him with video packages and main eventing the show and had him lose his debut? Absolutely not; in fact, I thought this was one of the best debuts AEW has ever done. Multiple vignettes and promos about his background and who he is, and a strong showing in his debut; but in the end, he's a just turned-18 year old kid making his major debut against a relatively top star of the company in Swerve. They went a different route with Hook as the unbeaten rookie but Hook has never faced anyone even close to Swerve's standing on the AEW roster. Vignettes and promos introducing the audience to a debuting wrestler is just not what AEW has done- its usually just Excalibur shouting; 'is...is that...it's Wrestler X! Wrestler X is here!' Actually, now that I think about it...Give me a Hook and Nick Wayne tag team god damn it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 14, 2023 7:07:12 GMT -5
Saw a comment that he looks like someone tried to draw Will Ospreay from memory and I can't unsee it.
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Post by chronocross on Jul 14, 2023 7:44:37 GMT -5
I liked the match with Swerve and didn’t mind Wayne losing as he’s got plenty of time to get wins on his record.
They will definitely have a rematch at some point where Wayne will get the victory.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2023 8:31:56 GMT -5
I don't mind Nick losing, but it does feel like AEW really is stingy with first wins. Not that Swerve needs to be losing any more than necessary, really, but with Dark and Elevation gone, Nick's got a lot less opportunity to pad his record than he used to.
Like, I'm thinking of guys like Komander, where they get big matches with big names, but it's a long road before they get to win any of them. I don't necessarily ask for 50/50 booking, it's more just that this doesn't need to be every new signing's story if they aren't already a big name with TV audiences. Shake it up occasionally.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 14, 2023 8:50:43 GMT -5
Anyone a little puzzled why they built him with video packages and main eventing the show and had him lose his debut? Absolutely not; in fact, I thought this was one of the best debuts AEW has ever done. Multiple vignettes and promos about his background and who he is, and a strong showing in his debut; but in the end, he's a just turned-18 year old kid making his major debut against a relatively top star of the company in Swerve. They went a different route with Hook as the unbeaten rookie but Hook has never faced anyone even close to Swerve's standing on the AEW roster. Vignettes and promos introducing the audience to a debuting wrestler is just not what AEW has done- its usually just Excalibur shouting; 'is...is that...it's Wrestler X! Wrestler X is here!' Actually, now that I think about it...Give me a Hook and Nick Wayne tag team god damn it. I love Swerve, but he’s not one of the top names in the company. On TV, he’s been presented to the AEW audience as a low-to-mid midcarder when it comes to singles. I’m not even sure he’s beat anyone of note one-on-one yet, maybe Wheeler Yuta is his biggest singles victory (unless I’m forgetting someone). Hook has faced Starks, Ethan Page and Matt Hardy as the main “names” that he’s beaten.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 14, 2023 8:52:22 GMT -5
Saw a comment that he looks like someone tried to draw Will Ospreay from memory and I can't unsee it. You can kind of tell that Ospreay is a big influence on him. He even does the whole "clasps his hands together before he runs the ropes" thing that Ospreay does.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jul 14, 2023 8:56:48 GMT -5
Anyone a little puzzled why they built him with video packages and main eventing the show and had him lose his debut? Absolutely not; in fact, I thought this was one of the best debuts AEW has ever done. Multiple vignettes and promos about his background and who he is, and a strong showing in his debut; but in the end, he's a just turned-18 year old kid making his major debut against a relatively top star of the company in Swerve. They went a different route with Hook as the unbeaten rookie but Hook has never faced anyone even close to Swerve's standing on the AEW roster. Vignettes and promos introducing the audience to a debuting wrestler is just not what AEW has done- its usually just Excalibur shouting; 'is...is that...it's Wrestler X! Wrestler X is here!' Actually, now that I think about it...Give me a Hook and Nick Wayne tag team god damn it. Excalibur mentioned their history and series or matches from defy too.
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Post by clifford on Jul 14, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -5
Absolutely not; in fact, I thought this was one of the best debuts AEW has ever done. Multiple vignettes and promos about his background and who he is, and a strong showing in his debut; but in the end, he's a just turned-18 year old kid making his major debut against a relatively top star of the company in Swerve. They went a different route with Hook as the unbeaten rookie but Hook has never faced anyone even close to Swerve's standing on the AEW roster. Vignettes and promos introducing the audience to a debuting wrestler is just not what AEW has done- its usually just Excalibur shouting; 'is...is that...it's Wrestler X! Wrestler X is here!' Actually, now that I think about it...Give me a Hook and Nick Wayne tag team god damn it. I love Swerve, but he’s not one of the top names in the company. On TV, he’s been presented to the AEW audience as a low-to-mid midcarder when it comes to singles. I’m not even sure he’s beat anyone of note one-on-one yet, maybe Wheeler Yuta is his biggest singles victory (unless I’m forgetting someone). Hook has faced Starks, Ethan Page and Matt Hardy as the main “names” that he’s beaten. I said top star relatively speaking; he's featured weekly on tv which a hell of a lot of the roster aren't. He has his own stable, is a former tag champ, and is booked strong enough to where he looks good in his losses and wins the majority of his matches. You can't compare him to Matt Hardy or Ethan Page, who on their best day are midcard acts, and Hook beating Starks by blindsiding him after he'd already had another match, and six month's into Hook's run, doesn't really equate the same to Nick Wayne facing Swerve in his debut match. Had he beaten Swerve; where does he go from there? Imagine the reaction to Swerve losing to an 18 year old in his first match with the company (I know Nick has beaten Swerve in Defy, but this is different)
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 14, 2023 9:05:09 GMT -5
The whole point of the video is that they want you to be invested in him as a person. It wasn't just "OMG, LOOK AT THESE COOL MOVES, HE'S GOING TO BEAT EVERYONE." If they did all that emotional stuff and he won his first match, the story's over. It's like the good guys winning the big battle in the first quarter of the film.
Win, lose, or draw, viewers now know the Nick Wayne story. If they continue to showcase him and his journey, people will be invested in his journey and will cheer when he gets that first win.
They're already handling Wayne far better than they handled the Andretti upset. As Andretti proved, though, it's all about the follow-up. Andretti's pretty irrelevant now because they didn't do much with him after he beat Jericho.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2023 10:11:18 GMT -5
Also, imagine the discussions we’d be having if Wayne beat Swerve and all the bad faith points we’d be wading through right now.
Everything they did made sense, there was no real reason for Swerve to win right now if the long term is stuff involving Darby which basically not only gives Wayne a good entry point to a big company with people he knows but if there are two people who know how to get the best out of Nick Wayne, it’s Seattle natives Darby Allin and Swerve Strickland.
It’s like when Rey Mysterio’s debut match in WWE was against Chavo Guerrero. Outside of drafting in a random luchadore for the night, there was honestly no better way to show him off than against a guy he faced a lot in WCW.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 14, 2023 10:16:04 GMT -5
Saw a comment that he looks like someone tried to draw Will Ospreay from memory and I can't unsee it. You can kind of tell that Ospreay is a big influence on him. He even does the whole "clasps his hands together before he runs the ropes" thing that Ospreay does. I think Ospreay is going to influence a lot of folks coming up in the next few years similarly to how HBK influenced a lot of indie guys in the late 90s.
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