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Post by nisidhe on Feb 24, 2022 9:30:22 GMT -5
I recently poo-poo'd a suggestion that Sami could pull off a Bret in 1997 schtick of being anti-America. I no longer feel that way, because certain decisions particularly in Texas is a) providing a great deal of fodder for Sami to exploit in his potential promos and b) he could potentially divide the crowd in their responses to what he has to say.
The fact that Wrestlemania is being held in Dallas is not lost on me, and should not be lost on WWE, either. Between KO's anti-Texas bent and now Sami's desired direction, things could get mighty interesting in the run-up and during the biggest weekend on pro wrestling's calendar.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 9:38:35 GMT -5
I love Sami, but if he milks trans kids and their families' pain for heat, he'd be a piece of shit. I do not want WWE touching this in this format because, A. I don't trust them to pull it off, and B. Vince is entirely too cozy with the kind of people whose fingerprints are all over this policy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 9:42:13 GMT -5
Yea...naw
The world has been on a topsy turvy for going on 3yrs now and things have only gotten worse so lets just try and steer into a more creative less political direction.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 24, 2022 10:00:43 GMT -5
Yea...naw The world has been on a topsy turvy for going on 3yrs now and things have only gotten worse so lets just try and steer into a more creative less political direction. Yeah, I don't trust WWE AT ALL to do this. And besides the reason why it worked so well is because 1997 is a perfect storm of a clusterf***. As anti American Bret was it was a story still rooted in wrestling.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 24, 2022 10:00:54 GMT -5
Yea...naw The world has been on a topsy turvy for going on 3yrs now and things have only gotten worse so lets just try and steer into a more creative less political direction. Yeahhhhhh I feel this kind of topic will be skating on thin ice.... And try double the years you've mentioned. Anyway, this. If anything, despite what people at WWE believe in behind the scenes and all that, I am glad they have not introduced political/social stories and characters now.* As Nick Khan claimed they wouldn't. I need some spots where I don't have to worry about soapboxes getting in the way of entertainment. And yes I know... TV shows and movies ALWAYS had polisocial commentary. Still. Times like these I am glad WWE chooses to exist in its own world these days and not get involved on-camera with the other stuff. What's sad is, you don't need to go to Canada to get a "heel one place, face another place" reaction now. Not anymore. * - Unless you count that certain ones were meant as veiled references to certain groups and such. (example: the Hurt Business and the so-called hidden message in the members' names)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2022 10:17:07 GMT -5
This is NOT the topic WWE should be bringing up, they would not be able to handle it, let alone with any nuance or subtlety. They'd get HAMMERED PR wise if Sami used it for a f***ing angle
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 10:21:36 GMT -5
Yea...naw The world has been on a topsy turvy for going on 3yrs now and things have only gotten worse so lets just try and steer into a more creative less political direction. Yeah, I don't trust WWE AT ALL to do this. And besides the reason why it worked so well is because 1997 is a perfect storm of a clusterf***. As anti American Bret was it was a story still rooted in wrestling. It also fit with Bret's, you know, being from another country. So is Sami, but he has no ties I'm aware of to the trans community, meaning this is frankly way outside of his lane. Further, you'd be hard pressed to find any country that is doing great by trans people consistently right now, so this isn't a Texas-specific issue, not wholly, not by a long shot.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 24, 2022 10:23:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll put it plainly: if WWE starts using trans kids for heat, I'm done. I definitely compromise a lot of my values to even be a fan sometimes, but what they're doing down in Texas right now is one of the vilest things I've seen committed by a US State government in my lifetime.
Honestly, I don't even know that this thread should be open anymore because it's not going to go anywhere positive. No knock on you for bringing an idea forward, but I just think this is dancing on the wrong side of the "no politics" line.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 24, 2022 10:23:23 GMT -5
Literally the only time WWE have ever brought up trans people is as a point of mockery. And even if WWE had any positive points in their history, the 'divided reactions' gimmick means you'd be relying on half the audiences baying against trans people with Sami's support being treated as a heel move.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 24, 2022 10:32:20 GMT -5
Literally the only time WWE have ever brought up trans people is as a point of mockery. And even if WWE had any positive points in their history, the 'divided reactions' gimmick means you'd be relying on half the audiences baying against trans people with Sami's support being treated as a heel move. TBF, I can't think of many modern examples outside of Santina's comeback. Most of it was a product of its time, back when it was accepted as "humor" and everyone else was doing the same. (I assume you're thinking of Sammy and Cloudy and such...also the nature of trash talk used against Chyna) As for the second half...sadly it seems realistic. I mean god, look at all the common sense stuff that somehow became political.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 24, 2022 10:35:31 GMT -5
We are about due for an evil Russian aren't we?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 24, 2022 10:36:06 GMT -5
The sequel to the Lashley's sisters angles we all wanted
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 24, 2022 10:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll put it plainly: if WWE starts using trans kids for heat, I'm done. I definitely compromise a lot of my values to even be a fan sometimes, but what they're doing down in Texas right now is one of the vilest things I've seen committed by a US State government in my lifetime. They've already used death for heat. Where else can you go when you hit that point?
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 24, 2022 10:47:51 GMT -5
Literally the only time WWE have ever brought up trans people is as a point of mockery. And even if WWE had any positive points in their history, the 'divided reactions' gimmick means you'd be relying on half the audiences baying against trans people with Sami's support being treated as a heel move. Even the fact that HLA & Billy & Chuck was 20 years ago(Time flies, huh?) I'm not surprised that the LBGTQ community would look at WWE side eyed because that shit doesn't look good in hindsight. Pro Wrestling has grown but still needs a push at times.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 24, 2022 10:48:38 GMT -5
We are about due for an evil Russian aren't we? Let’s not go down that direction, please. The moderators understand the magnitude of the Russia/Ukraine crisis, but until we figure out how to approach it as it relates to any potential discussion on a wrestling forum, just keep within the rules as they are.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 24, 2022 10:54:50 GMT -5
Like I said before, Vince is too politically entwined to do a gimmick like this anymore. One call from a "buddy" in DC complaining that Sami said something semi controversial and Vince will send Sami home for the remainder of his contract.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 24, 2022 11:13:26 GMT -5
We are about due for an evil Russian aren't we? Let’s not go down that direction, please. The moderators understand the magnitude of the Russia/Ukraine crisis, but until we figure out how to approach it as it relates to any potential discussion on a wrestling forum, just keep within the rules as they are. My apologies.... my only reason to post it was that Vince usually takes advantage of current events. Nothing more from me on it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 24, 2022 11:14:29 GMT -5
I said it before, I'll say it again.
Can we not?
WWE is already a misery factory, can we NOT crank that up to 11?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 24, 2022 11:15:18 GMT -5
Literally the only time WWE have ever brought up trans people is as a point of mockery. And even if WWE had any positive points in their history, the 'divided reactions' gimmick means you'd be relying on half the audiences baying against trans people with Sami's support being treated as a heel move. It'd be vibes of the Daniel Bryan eco-heel run. Amazing heel work, great stuff, but you absolutely got the feeling that there was an underlying something going on there, like Vince enjoyed having people boo environmentalism considering when he was a face, they just railed on him for being a granola hippie weirdo. There feels like a consistent throughline on the sorts of characters who can have these politics and it's the one that casts them villainous enough that you will never get an arena actually cheering those ideas. It's just a less overt, sneakier version of foreign heel stuff from the 80s.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 24, 2022 11:41:48 GMT -5
No to Sami doing an anti-American gimmick, especially when one of the reasons Ali has been put on ice is due to his refusal to do an anti-American gimmick.
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