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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 7, 2022 12:50:32 GMT -5
Thank God Hangman has some good friends in the Dark Order to help him out in a jam.
That's true friendship there.
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Post by chrom on Mar 7, 2022 12:52:42 GMT -5
Thank God Hangman has some good friends in the Dark Order to help him out in a jam. That's true friendship there. Only after 15 minutes have passed with him getting attacked
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 7, 2022 12:54:30 GMT -5
I feel like Page is at least somewhat justified for going to the ring alone, in that if the Dark Order did flank him from the start, the Young Bucks would have likely inserted themselves, too, to make it even more of a clusterf*** for him to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 12:59:54 GMT -5
In AEW, I think it's Moxley. -Beats Jericho by feigning an injury -Beats Brian Cage by realizing the arm was the weak point -Beats Brody by choking him out, since there was no pinning him. -Beats MJF by beating him to the punch on cheating -Only loses to Kenny Omega the first time because an unknown factor in Don Callis appeared to give Kenny the assist. Granted, he stopped being so smart in any of the subsequent rematches with Omega, but in terms of smart babyfaces who know the score, Mox has to be up there. It shows that these characters didn't really become new characters, just went to another company with a new name and new clothes. Ambrose was super smart in WWE so this makes sense. I could see the argument, but Moxley is way less goofy than Ambrose. Moxley is a killer who wants a fight and wants to hurt you or be hurt. Ambrose was the guy who had a monitor explode in his face and brought out weapons in a red rider wagon. Speaking of smart faces, Hangman's a pretty savvy one since coming back and finding his groove.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 7, 2022 13:12:24 GMT -5
Thank God Hangman has some good friends in the Dark Order to help him out in a jam. That's true friendship there. Only after 15 minutes have passed with him getting attacked They're not the quickest knives in the crayon box, I'll give you that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 13:14:09 GMT -5
It shows that these characters didn't really become new characters, just went to another company with a new name and new clothes. Ambrose was super smart in WWE so this makes sense. I could see the argument, but Moxley is way less goofy than Ambrose. Moxley is a killer who wants a fight and wants to hurt you or be hurt. Ambrose was the guy who had a monitor explode in his face and brought out weapons in a red rider wagon. Speaking of smart faces, Hangman's a pretty savvy one since coming back and finding his groove. That did happen to Ambrose but he's still a pretty smart face. He outsmarted a wily heel Rollins numerous times in their feud whether it's to hiding until it was time to pop out, the briefcase shenanigans and such, to outsmarting Jericho in their short 2 month feud they had. Same with him against AJ Styles when AJ was in his "prime" I'd say. Same with outsmarting Miz multiple times and Miz has been shown to be one of the smartest heels ever. So while yeah, Ambrose had wacky moments but intelligence-wise, he outsmarted the more wily heel multiple times which is rarely seen. The difference between Moxley and Ambrose is that Moxley's more serious, cutthroat and living for the fight while Ambrose was more laidback, chill and wacky. Hangman's pretty smart but we'll see how it is for him because he's still had the Dark Order out there at times to even the odds up. Usually it works but eventually he'll lose the title. I'm not sure if it'll be against a legit heel or if it'll be against someone who outsmarts him. I doubt it'll be bad regardless.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2022 13:26:27 GMT -5
I really hope in Britts next title defense, Hayter/Reba get ejected from ringside immediately. Like, do refs not even watch replays?
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Post by bog on Mar 7, 2022 13:53:51 GMT -5
I feel like Page is at least somewhat justified for going to the ring alone, in that if the Dark Order did flank him from the start, the Young Bucks would have likely inserted themselves, too, to make it even more of a clusterf*** for him to deal with. I think Page's character strikes the right balance of "brave, but not stupid." It was also cool to see him set a boundary with Dark Order to let him do his own thing. They don't immediately run to the ring to help him out, but when shit gets dire they appear. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it...aside from Dark Order, are all the other factions heels? I guess Best Friends are faces but they're skirting the line on "stable"
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 7, 2022 14:10:46 GMT -5
I feel like Page is at least somewhat justified for going to the ring alone, in that if the Dark Order did flank him from the start, the Young Bucks would have likely inserted themselves, too, to make it even more of a clusterf*** for him to deal with. I think Page's character strikes the right balance of "brave, but not stupid." It was also cool to see him set a boundary with Dark Order to let him do his own thing. They don't immediately run to the ring to help him out, but when shit gets dire they appear. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it...aside from Dark Order, are all the other factions heels? I guess Best Friends are faces but they're skirting the line on "stable" Yeah, Hangman's crafty, such as vaulting off of the ref in the Archer match, which is nice. Resourceful, willing to use his brain. I appreciate it. I'd sort of count the Best Friends as a stable, in so far as they're I guess CHAOS' rep in AEW. But yeah, outside of them, there are some face trios, or ones who are getting more difficult to classify, like Inner Circle.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 7, 2022 14:16:00 GMT -5
Did we really need a third thread where Baker/Rosa is discussed ad-nauseum? Like legit question. I'm not even trying to be mean, there are literally just copy/pastes from the SAME THREADS in this one now. And it's the third thread where it's just turned into it. This is unnecessary at this point. This was never meant as another Britt thread. I made it because it has been a AEW problem from the get go.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 7, 2022 14:21:03 GMT -5
I think Page's character strikes the right balance of "brave, but not stupid." It was also cool to see him set a boundary with Dark Order to let him do his own thing. They don't immediately run to the ring to help him out, but when shit gets dire they appear. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it...aside from Dark Order, are all the other factions heels? I guess Best Friends are faces but they're skirting the line on "stable" Yeah, Hangman's crafty, such as vaulting off of the ref in the Archer match, which is nice. Resourceful, willing to use his brain. I appreciate it. I'd sort of count the Best Friends as a stable, in so far as they're I guess CHAOS' rep in AEW. But yeah, outside of them, there are some face trios, or ones who are getting more difficult to classify, like Inner Circle. I like that Hangman, even if he's a noble face, can be pushed to fight dirty when the situation calls for it, like tying up Adam Cole on the top rope to kick him a whole bunch as payback for when Cole and reDRagon did it to him on Wednesday.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 14:25:16 GMT -5
The refs not sending them to the back is a big problem too. Yeah Rebel was up on the ring apron like 5 times during that match. Even WWE referees would have ejected her at that point. Like I said, everyone looks stupid here.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 7, 2022 14:29:25 GMT -5
In most ways, AEW's faces are really clever. But yeah, they're pretty dumb in cases like this. If the heel has backup, get some backup for yourself, or at least have them on standby.
The face fighting against the odds to win the match is a good tool. But it's way overused in AEW.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 7, 2022 14:31:58 GMT -5
"Evil triumphs because good is dumb" is a fictional trope I've gotten tired of in general lol.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 7, 2022 14:43:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Hangman's crafty, such as vaulting off of the ref in the Archer match, which is nice. Resourceful, willing to use his brain. I appreciate it. I'd sort of count the Best Friends as a stable, in so far as they're I guess CHAOS' rep in AEW. But yeah, outside of them, there are some face trios, or ones who are getting more difficult to classify, like Inner Circle. I like that Hangman, even if he's a noble face, can be pushed to fight dirty when the situation calls for it, like tying up Adam Cole on the top rope to kick him a whole bunch as payback for when Cole and reDRagon did it to him on Wednesday. Right, or getting pissed off at Danielson in I think their second match, slamming his leg on the barricade, and then just stomping the hell out of it. Definitely nastier than most faces tend to get, but wholly justified in their feud after all of Danielson's actions to that point.
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Post by bog on Mar 7, 2022 14:43:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Hangman's crafty, such as vaulting off of the ref in the Archer match, which is nice. Resourceful, willing to use his brain. I appreciate it. I'd sort of count the Best Friends as a stable, in so far as they're I guess CHAOS' rep in AEW. But yeah, outside of them, there are some face trios, or ones who are getting more difficult to classify, like Inner Circle. I like that Hangman, even if he's a noble face, can be pushed to fight dirty when the situation calls for it, like tying up Adam Cole on the top rope to kick him a whole bunch as payback for when Cole and reDRagon did it to him on Wednesday. I saw in the live thread not everyone was a fan of that (I get why), but yeah, I liked it too.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 7, 2022 14:47:26 GMT -5
Thank God Hangman has some good friends in the Dark Order to help him out in a jam. That's true friendship there. I actually thought it was amusing that the whole ass Dark Order was out there to neutralize two people. I suppose they may have just decided that the Bucks and Brandon Cutler may not be far behind even though they don't want to be in Hangman's business, so the entire group played their whole hand to be safe in case the Bucks were lying.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 7, 2022 14:58:19 GMT -5
I like that Hangman, even if he's a noble face, can be pushed to fight dirty when the situation calls for it, like tying up Adam Cole on the top rope to kick him a whole bunch as payback for when Cole and reDRagon did it to him on Wednesday. I saw in the live thread not everyone was a fan of that (I get why), but yeah, I liked it too. You can see the New Japan influence in those things. Even all around good guys like Hiroshi Tanahashi will fight fire with fire when it comes to using dirtier tactics to counter a cheating heel.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 7, 2022 15:22:21 GMT -5
Thank God Hangman has some good friends in the Dark Order to help him out in a jam. That's true friendship there. I actually thought it was amusing that the whole ass Dark Order was out there to neutralize two people. I suppose they may have just decided that the Bucks and Brandon Cutler may not be far behind even though they don't want to be in Hangman's business, so the entire group played their whole hand to be safe in case the Bucks were lying. You don't get partial Dark Order backing you up. You get the ENTIRE DAMN CREW. Except Anna Jay. She was probably consoling Tay after her loss. #besties
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 15:32:39 GMT -5
Speaking of Anna. When Tay faced Britt, Anna was nowhere to be scene either? Yet the very next match she came out with the rest of the Dark Order when Page beat Kenny.
And she WAS out there for Tay’s match with Jade here.
I see a pattern here.
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