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Post by oxbaker on Mar 15, 2022 14:33:45 GMT -5
Seriously, it’s like a baseball player saying ‘I’m paid to hit the ball, not stand around in left field for three innings when the ball isn’t coming my way.’ Or ‘I’m an NFL quarterback. I’m paid to throw the ball, not sit on the bench while the defense is on the field.’ It literally is part of the job. But again, if you were a sports player going out there to play the game and when you get on the field before it starts, the half time show kicks off and you’re waiting for the fan participation stuff, the national anthem, the Air Force flyby etc rather than at the designated time, it stops momentum. That’s why there’s half time breaks to take a break and find a way to get that motivation back and not on the field of play. It’s not that there’s adverts or promos before your match or commercial breaks during your match that feels maddening, it’s people doing their entrance and waiting around for whatever nonsense happens even before the opponent comes out that just kills the flow dead. See, I think it’s exactly like that. You’re the quarterback and you’ve got your team on a key drive and the momentum is going and you’re in a rhythm … and the opposing coach calls a timeout. And they go to commercial. Or someone gets injured and they go to commercial. Or the quarter ends, or there’s a replay review. Football is a three-hour game that has 60 minutes of clock time and out of every 40 seconds of that the play is about 7 seconds before they re-spot the ball, you huddle, you call the play and you get off the next play. Some other sports like basketball and soccer are more free-flowing but they have stoppages too. And baseball is more standing around than playing any way you cut it. To me in wrestling it’s more adapting your game to be able to turn it on as it’s needed because that’s the structure of it at the top. In a (hate to use this meme) indie match at an armory in Peoria, you come out and do your 10 minutes and you go to the back. That’s where you prove you have the talent to do this. But when you get ‘discovered’ and signed with a bigger promotion, you learn to face the hard camera, to set up certain spots where it’s advantageous for the cameras, to be able to sit through the commercial break and still bring it when the lights come back on. In that way it’s not unlike acting (which, to some degree, that’s what wrestling is). You learn to do it on stage and it goes from start to finish and you get in character and you walk out and deliver your lines, there’s scenes you’re in and scenes you’re not in and an intermission … but mainly you put on your character ‘mask’ so to speak. Then you get a TV or movie gig and you’re standing around waiting all day til the director says ‘you’re on’ and you better be able to deliver … whether you have one line or you’re the lead character. But regardless of which, you may be shooting the scenes from the end of the show/movie on the first day and the opening sequences on the last. And you may sit around for 4 hours waiting for a shot to be set up and they get the lighting just right and now … you’re on. |
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 15:19:31 GMT -5
But again, if you were a sports player going out there to play the game and when you get on the field before it starts, the half time show kicks off and you’re waiting for the fan participation stuff, the national anthem, the Air Force flyby etc rather than at the designated time, it stops momentum. That’s why there’s half time breaks to take a break and find a way to get that motivation back and not on the field of play. It’s not that there’s adverts or promos before your match or commercial breaks during your match that feels maddening, it’s people doing their entrance and waiting around for whatever nonsense happens even before the opponent comes out that just kills the flow dead. See, I think it’s exactly like that. You’re the quarterback and you’ve got your team on a key drive and the momentum is going and you’re in a rhythm … and the opposing coach calls a timeout. And they go to commercial. Or someone gets injured and they go to commercial. Or the quarter ends, or there’s a replay review. Football is a three-hour game that has 60 minutes of clock time and out of every 40 seconds of that the play is about 7 seconds before they re-spot the ball, you huddle, you call the play and you get off the next play. Some other sports like basketball and soccer are more free-flowing but they have stoppages too. And baseball is more standing around than playing any way you cut it. To me in wrestling it’s more adapting your game to be able to turn it on as it’s needed because that’s the structure of it at the top. In a (hate to use this meme) indie match at an armory in Peoria, you come out and do your 10 minutes and you go to the back. That’s where you prove you have the talent to do this. But when you get ‘discovered’ and signed with a bigger promotion, you learn to face the hard camera, to set up certain spots where it’s advantageous for the cameras, to be able to sit through the commercial break and still bring it when the lights come back on. In that way it’s not unlike acting (which, to some degree, that’s what wrestling is). You learn to do it on stage and it goes from start to finish and you get in character and you walk out and deliver your lines, there’s scenes you’re in and scenes you’re not in and an intermission … but mainly you put on your character ‘mask’ so to speak. Then you get a TV or movie gig and you’re standing around waiting all day til the director says ‘you’re on’ and you better be able to deliver … whether you have one line or you’re the lead character. But regardless of which, you may be shooting the scenes from the end of the show/movie on the first day and the opening sequences on the last. And you may sit around for 4 hours waiting for a shot to be set up and they get the lighting just right and now … you’re on. Here's the problem with that; a lot of what you mentioned is standard to those things. There will be time outs in the big American sports in the same way there's half time in soccer because those are in the rules. And if any changes need to be made, they're decided by a committee who analyse and watch and take in concerns and complaints from players, coaches, owners etc. They don't just do it for kicks and see how it goes because that potentially leads to messups that can't be undone and standards that further need to be amended. The thing with acting as well is that you have a script, you have a character, you know what you need to do when you need to do it and if not, the director tells you what you need to do. They don't have your scene about to start, decide to shoot another scene in flow, then take a 5 minute break and come back to that person still performing because you cut off their flow and you haven't gotten what you wanted. And the movies that happens in are usually the horror stories you hear about. And that doesn't even begin to go into how things just change on the fly on a live TV show, either before or even during. Scripts are done in such a manner that it has to take in so many factors and when that changes, you're expected to adapt on the fly to such an extent it might get the crowd to not care because they're distracted by other things or the action isn't good because they didn't get the time to be in the flow. You can't compare things that are usually structured in such a way to something that can change if Vince feels like they're not getting enough revenue or if there's not enough story or even if Vince just has a tantrum and tears the whole thing up. Those are the things of David O. Russell horror stories. EDIT: And don't get me started on how little developmental actually prepares people for the main roster besides the touches, that I've gone on about way too much and I blame HHH and Vince for causing that and not putting their egos aside and making a developmental system that makes sense. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 15, 2022 15:26:55 GMT -5
Seriously, it’s like a baseball player saying ‘I’m paid to hit the ball, not stand around in left field for three innings when the ball isn’t coming my way.’ Or ‘I’m an NFL quarterback. I’m paid to throw the ball, not sit on the bench while the defense is on the field.’ It literally is part of the job. But again, if you were a sports player going out there to play the game and when you get on the field before it starts, the half time show kicks off and you’re waiting for the fan participation stuff, the national anthem, the Air Force flyby etc rather than at the designated time, it stops momentum. That’s why there’s half time breaks to take a break and find a way to get that motivation back and not on the field of play. It’s not that there’s adverts or promos before your match or commercial breaks during your match that feels maddening, it’s people doing their entrance and waiting around for whatever nonsense happens even before the opponent comes out that just kills the flow dead. OR in the case of Owens here... Seth came out after this... And then they went to ANOTHER commercial break and recap. |
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 15:31:44 GMT -5
But again, if you were a sports player going out there to play the game and when you get on the field before it starts, the half time show kicks off and you’re waiting for the fan participation stuff, the national anthem, the Air Force flyby etc rather than at the designated time, it stops momentum. That’s why there’s half time breaks to take a break and find a way to get that motivation back and not on the field of play. It’s not that there’s adverts or promos before your match or commercial breaks during your match that feels maddening, it’s people doing their entrance and waiting around for whatever nonsense happens even before the opponent comes out that just kills the flow dead. OR in the case of Owens here... Seth came out after this... And then they went to ANOTHER commercial break and recap. Exactly, there's no reason it has to be done like that. Another thing I saw was Damian Priest and Finn Balor had to stand in the ring whilst commercials were playing and they're in what could be considered a blood feud right now. Finn should want revenge for last week and Damian should want to prove a point, why are the audience just seeing them stand there? |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 15, 2022 15:59:04 GMT -5
What I love about this is that it seems like it benefits nobody? The wrestlers hate it, the live audience hate it, it doesn't enrich the at-home viewing experience any, and the pieces are easily rearranged to avoid these problems, and yet it has to be done because Vince doesn't have the attention span anymore so we need to flash lots of stuff on and change it up so he doesn't nod off at gorilla. Great stuff.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 15, 2022 16:17:54 GMT -5
I read in a recap of Raw that between the recaps and commercials the time between Owens entrance and the bell ringing to start the match was over fifteen minutes.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 15, 2022 16:39:55 GMT -5
I read in a recap of Raw that between the recaps and commercials the time between Owens entrance and the bell ringing to start the match was over fifteen minutes. Wow that's excessive and f***ing brutal, but yeah damn I guess there's no possible way to streamline this process. |
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