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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 22, 2022 7:08:42 GMT -5
Can I say The Cell or in fact any film by Tarsem Singh. Lot's of style and amazing film scenes and shots, story not so much. The Fall is one of the best looking movies ever. Unfortunate he never found a really great writing partner because the guy is definitely a visionary. It is criminal that that movie isn't available right now. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 22, 2022 7:13:17 GMT -5
a lot of the Prequel trilogy sure as hell LOOKS cool... Directed well except when it comes to the direction of the actors, perhaps. You'd think some of the cast were terrible actors if you were judging them only from those movies. Similarly from a writing perspective the writing is mostly fine except for some very awful dialogue. The sequel trilogy is an even better example of this - good just about everything except for the abysmal writing both within the context of each movie individually and within the context of the trilogy and franchise as a whole. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 22, 2022 14:30:34 GMT -5
a lot of the Prequel trilogy sure as hell LOOKS cool... Directed well except when it comes to the direction of the actors, perhaps. You'd think some of the cast were terrible actors if you were judging them only from those movies. Similarly from a writing perspective the writing is mostly fine except for some very awful dialogue. The sequel trilogy is an even better example of this - good just about everything except for the abysmal writing both within the context of each movie individually and within the context of the trilogy and franchise as a whole. I didn't think the sequel trilogy's writing as a film were particularly bad. As a trilogy they were completely unconnected and disjointed because there clearly wasn't a plan going in for the sequels... it's why I usually refer to the Prequels as a decent story told poorly, and the Sequels a shitty story told mostly decently >_> I think some people in this thread are confusing cinematography and Directing. shots looking good are usually the realm of the Cinematographer. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 22, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
I remember the Beverly Hills Cop movies had a lot of the same cast and crew among the three films. I read a quote from someone who said when they saw the script for the third movie they thought it looked terrible. But that was okay. They said the script for the first movie was terrible too, but the other parts (directing, acting, etc) were strong enough they were able to make a great movie anyway.
Beverly Hills Cop 3 still sucked ass though. I guess they couldn’t cover enough for the bad writing that time.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 22, 2022 15:21:44 GMT -5
I remember the Beverly Hills Cop movies had a lot of the same cast and crew among the three films. I read a quote from someone who said when they saw the script for the third movie they thought it looked terrible. But that was okay. They said the script for the first movie was terrible too, but the other parts (directing, acting, etc) were strong enough they were able to make a great movie anyway. Beverly Hills Cop 3 still sucked ass though. I guess they couldn’t cover enough for the bad writing that time. Yeah, the original script for the first movie is out there and it's not particularly good. What the movie had going for it was a young, hungry Eddie Murphy at the height of his powers and a director smart enough to let him work his magic. The third movie had tired, burnt-out Eddie Murphy and John Landis on autopilot. |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Mar 23, 2022 2:27:02 GMT -5
Also, Beverly Hills Cop had Philip?? Hey man what's happenin Phil?? I knew that was you!!! He told me it wasn't you, said you don't come here no more, I said that's Phil!! It is Phillip! I told you it was Phillip, you liar!!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 23, 2022 2:37:03 GMT -5
I remember the Beverly Hills Cop movies had a lot of the same cast and crew among the three films. I read a quote from someone who said when they saw the script for the third movie they thought it looked terrible. But that was okay. They said the script for the first movie was terrible too, but the other parts (directing, acting, etc) were strong enough they were able to make a great movie anyway. Beverly Hills Cop 3 still sucked ass though. I guess they couldn’t cover enough for the bad writing that time. Yeah, the original script for the first movie is out there and it's not particularly good. What the movie had going for it was a young, hungry Eddie Murphy at the height of his powers and a director smart enough to let him work his magic. The third movie had tired, burnt-out Eddie Murphy and John Landis on autopilot. Yeah, Landis has been quoted as saying this... other actors on the movie like Bronson Pinchot mentioned that Murphy seemed really depressed on the set. the fact that after BHC 2 Murphy said he wasn't going to do another one... also points that making it was either a contractual or money thing... >_> |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2022 3:14:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Landis has been quoted as saying this... other actors on the movie like Bronson Pinchot mentioned that Murphy seemed really depressed on the set. the fact that after BHC 2 Murphy said he wasn't going to do another one... also points that making it was either a contractual or money thing... >_> The production of that movie just sounds like a depressing time for everybody. Murphy clearly didn't want to be involved and everybody else quickly gave up trying. Vampire in Brooklyn produced similar stories. Wes Craven said that "Eddie didn't want to be funny. He wanted to be serious and he was very difficult. He wanted to play totally straight so I couldn't get the humor into it that I wanted to get into it." It's weird, because in hindsight his movies during this career slump didn't fare that badly, and certainly had nothing on the disasters of his late-'90s-thru-early-2000s bombs. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 23, 2022 3:21:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Landis has been quoted as saying this... other actors on the movie like Bronson Pinchot mentioned that Murphy seemed really depressed on the set. the fact that after BHC 2 Murphy said he wasn't going to do another one... also points that making it was either a contractual or money thing... >_> The production of that movie just sounds like a depressing time for everybody. Murphy clearly didn't want to be involved and everybody else quickly gave up trying. Vampire in Brooklyn produced similar stories. Wes Craven said that "Eddie didn't want to be funny. He wanted to be serious and he was very difficult. He wanted to play totally straight so I couldn't get the humor into it that I wanted to get into it." It's weird, because in hindsight his movies during this career slump didn't fare that badly, and certainly had nothing on the disasters of his late-'90s-thru-early-2000s bombs. I think Murphy desperately wanted to be treated like a "serious actor" in the early to mid 90's. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2022 3:47:51 GMT -5
I think Murphy desperately wanted to be treated like a "serious actor" in the early to mid 90's. I also think the critical reactions to Harlem Nights really took a lot of the wind out of his sails for a few years. That was absolutely his passion project – he wrote it, directed it, sank money into expanding his production company in order to make it, cast his hero as the co-lead, and it got mauled by critics and made less than half what it was expected to make at the box office (though it did make a profit). I'm pretty sure that broke him. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 23, 2022 20:07:52 GMT -5
War of the Worlds is another one where the film still visually holds up and a lot of the acting is solid, but select choices in plot turns and characterization really do drag the experience down.
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