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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 21, 2022 22:53:05 GMT -5
Wrote about this on Reddit but I absolutely love the Rollins storyline. Mostly because he's killing it right now. I honestly think people are missing the point with the Rollins storyline. Yes, Rollins could easily just have a match at Mania. He's Seth "Freakin" Rollins. But he doesn't want that. He wants to have a match where he can steal the show. He wants a Wrestlemania moment. He wants to be the show-stealer. It perfectly fits his character of him being this over-the-top guy. He's desperately trying to get on the card in matches that would matter makes perfect sense. From walking in as a tag team champion to working with Austin or Edge. That's something that would matter to him. Not just wrestling T-Bar on the event just because he's Seth Rollins and of course, he could be on the show.
Of course, it helps that he's been putting in some amazing work with great matches the last few weeks and then finally snapping tonight as he comes to the grips with the fact that he's losing his shot at having his " WrestleMania moment".
I absolutely think they're handling this a lot better than when Cena was doing this storyline because it didn't fit his character or his motivations that he couldn't find a match at Mania and then just like let me challenge the Undertaker.
Here it fits the character motivations quite perfectly.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 21, 2022 22:57:22 GMT -5
His weekly growing delusion is awesome. He really needs to show up on Smackdown and challenge Lesnar for his spot.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 21, 2022 23:00:31 GMT -5
Seth is great but it just all is so contrived and lacking logic that it's hard for me to buy into it. But he personally is doing a great job.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 21, 2022 23:01:09 GMT -5
I will say I'll take Seth losing his mind and breaking stuff over Cena going "MARK CALLOWAY YOU OLD BITCH UNRETIRE AND FACE ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY I CAN BE ON WRESTLEMANIA OTHERWISE"
Narratively I'm not sure it works for Cody's debut but he's definitely gonna get a massive reaction when he shows up so maybe it's more for that than plot for him.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 21, 2022 23:09:02 GMT -5
I will say I'll take Seth losing his mind and breaking stuff over Cena going "MARK CALLOWAY YOU OLD BITCH UNRETIRE AND FACE ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY I CAN BE ON WRESTLEMANIA OTHERWISE" Narratively I'm not sure it works for Cody's debut but he's definitely gonna get a massive reaction when he shows up so maybe it's more for that than plot for him. Could they have booked a Rollins vs Cody feud differently? Sure but why not save that story for the rematch and you keep the Cody surprise for Mania and you have more story to tell afterward. It's a win-win imo.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 21, 2022 23:09:21 GMT -5
If they save Cody's return until Wrestlemania itself I'll agree. If he shows up on Raw to confront Seth next week though I think it'll be really dumb. Just wait the extra 6 days. Like the Hardys would've gotten a big pop if they debuted on Raw before Wrestlemania 33 but it wouldn't be the same as returning in front of 50,000+ people on the show itself after years away.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 22, 2022 0:12:54 GMT -5
As entertaining as it is, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, even Omos was just like “If anyone wants to fight me at Mania, bring it on” and that was that.
Wrestlemania is like 10 hours long. The idea that one of the top stars can’t get on the card is laughable.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 22, 2022 0:27:29 GMT -5
As entertaining as it is, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, even Omos was just like “If anyone wants to fight me at Mania, bring it on” and that was that. Wrestlemania is like 10 hours long. The idea that one of the top stars can’t get on the card is laughable. Yeah, Seth Rollins not getting a prominent Mania match is dumb. I could probably even buy it if it were Corbin or something, I could buy him being pre-show fodder but not Seth. Sami Zayn could probably make it work really well, his character seems perfect for that angle But Seth himself is killing it right now, he’s been fantastic it’s just a dumb angle.
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Post by eJm on Mar 22, 2022 5:00:27 GMT -5
I will say I'll take Seth losing his mind and breaking stuff over Cena going "MARK CALLOWAY YOU OLD BITCH UNRETIRE AND FACE ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY I CAN BE ON WRESTLEMANIA OTHERWISE" Must...not...mention...again...how...badly...paced...segment...was... BRAUN, HE WAS CALLING PEOPLE OUT, WHY DIDN'T YOU ACC-*gets huddled on by mods and dragged away* EDIT: Also, for as good as Seth is being, I'll share the sentiment that it's just a weird thing that the guy who forced Roman into a DQ and never really got his universal title rematch is someone nobody is interested in facing in kayfabe. It's a hard thing to suspend disbelief about especially considering history.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 22, 2022 6:30:45 GMT -5
As entertaining as it is, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, even Omos was just like “If anyone wants to fight me at Mania, bring it on” and that was that. Wrestlemania is like 10 hours long. The idea that one of the top stars can’t get on the card is laughable. It’s more that he can’t find a spot that’s worthy of his starpower, in his opinion, not that he can’t have just “any” match. At least that seems to be the way they were leaning with it this week.
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Post by Nosnorb on Mar 22, 2022 6:34:17 GMT -5
Wrote about this on Reddit but I absolutely love the Rollins storyline. Mostly because he's killing it right now. I honestly think people are missing the point with the Rollins storyline. Yes, Rollins could easily just have a match at Mania. He's Seth "Freakin" Rollins. But he doesn't want that. He wants to have a match where he can steal the show. He wants a Wrestlemania moment. He wants to be the show-stealer. It perfectly fits his character of him being this over-the-top guy. He's desperately trying to get on the card in matches that would matter makes perfect sense. From walking in as a tag team champion to working with Austin or Edge. That's something that would matter to him. Not just wrestling T-Bar on the event just because he's Seth Rollins and of course, he could be on the show. And in all likelyhood, he could have that match if he had kept on rubbing the breakup of The Shield in the face of Roman. But this storyline, where nobody wants to face Rollins and he can't get onto a two night Wrestlemania card, but The Miz, Austin Theory, Rey Mysterio, Baron Corbin and Dominic Mysterio can? This ain't it, Chief.
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Post by eJm on Mar 22, 2022 6:52:52 GMT -5
Wrote about this on Reddit but I absolutely love the Rollins storyline. Mostly because he's killing it right now. I honestly think people are missing the point with the Rollins storyline. Yes, Rollins could easily just have a match at Mania. He's Seth "Freakin" Rollins. But he doesn't want that. He wants to have a match where he can steal the show. He wants a Wrestlemania moment. He wants to be the show-stealer. It perfectly fits his character of him being this over-the-top guy. He's desperately trying to get on the card in matches that would matter makes perfect sense. From walking in as a tag team champion to working with Austin or Edge. That's something that would matter to him. Not just wrestling T-Bar on the event just because he's Seth Rollins and of course, he could be on the show. And in all likelyhood, he could have that match if he had kept on rubbing the breakup of The Shield in the face of Roman. But this storyline, where nobody wants to face Rollins and he can't get onto a two night Wrestlemania card, but The Miz, Austin Theory, Rey Mysterio, Baron Corbin and Dominic Mysterio can? This ain't it, Chief. Like, Street Profits went up to the Raw Tag Team champions RKBro and said "Can we have a match for the belts at WrestleMania?" and Randy basically said "Eh, sure, why not?" and the match was made. I'd be happier with these stories if there weren't other contradictions across it. Even this stuff with Edge, it wasn't like he didn't have the opportunity to accept Edge's challenge, he just didn't for some reason. EDIT: Also, Seth wants a WrestleMania moment? The f*** was WrestleMania 31, then?
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Post by stoptheclocks on Mar 22, 2022 7:10:37 GMT -5
Wrote about this on Reddit but I absolutely love the Rollins storyline. Mostly because he's killing it right now. I honestly think people are missing the point with the Rollins storyline. Yes, Rollins could easily just have a match at Mania. He's Seth "Freakin" Rollins. But he doesn't want that. He wants to have a match where he can steal the show. He wants a Wrestlemania moment. He wants to be the show-stealer. It perfectly fits his character of him being this over-the-top guy. He's desperately trying to get on the card in matches that would matter makes perfect sense. From walking in as a tag team champion to working with Austin or Edge. That's something that would matter to him. Not just wrestling T-Bar on the event just because he's Seth Rollins and of course, he could be on the show. And in all likelyhood, he could have that match if he had kept on rubbing the breakup of The Shield in the face of Roman. But this storyline, where nobody wants to face Rollins and he can't get onto a two night Wrestlemania card, but The Miz, Austin Theory, Rey Mysterio, Baron Corbin and Dominic Mysterio can? This ain't it, Chief. But isn't the idea supposed to be that all those people are on the card to settle legitimate scores from organic rivalries? Not that someone has just written their characters to be there. I feel like this wouldn't crack a top 25 of things that don't make sense in wrestling this week. It's also not as if Seth isn't actively trying to get himself a big match, he's tried and failed in consecutive weeks now.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 22, 2022 7:19:37 GMT -5
He's doing fun character work but the story itself doesn't make sense. It once again, as it always does with this company, comes down to detail work.
1. Edge challenged the whole roster a few weeks back. Where was Seth? Even if they didn't know then that Cody was signing, they could have covered it after the fact in a segment last night. "Seth, you didn't want Edge a few weeks ago, AJ did. Now you want to come in and take the match?" Or hell, maybe Edge is what starts this whole thing off. Babyface Edge gets confronted by Seth and AJ. Seth wants to get revenge, AJ wants to tear it up with a legend. AJ beats Seth, Edge challenges AJ and goes heel, then this is what sets Seth off on his crazy streak.
2. They needed to be offering things because Seth's a big star and him declining to further show his delusion. "Seth, what about Finn for the US Title? You and Ricochet could tear it up for the IC Title! No thanks guys, been there done that, I want a *WrestleMania Moment!*"
That would have at least covered some of the weird storytelling gaps here. Instead, we're just going to get Seth next week going crazy, getting beat up by somebody, and then showing up at Mania to lose to Cody.
Also, for what it's worth, this whole story isn't exactly protecting Seth, either. He's just looking like a big, delusional, loser goober. I'm excited to see Cody, but I'm also excited to see Seth get onto something different after Mania.
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Post by eJm on Mar 22, 2022 7:31:30 GMT -5
He's doing fun character work but the story itself doesn't make sense. It once again, as it always does with this company, comes down to detail work. 1. Edge challenged the whole roster a few weeks back. Where was Seth? Even if they didn't know then that Cody was signing, they could have covered it after the fact in a segment last night. "Seth, you didn't want Edge a few weeks ago, AJ did. Now you want to come in and take the match?" 2. They needed to be offering things because Seth's a big star and him declining to further show his delusion. "Seth, what about Finn for the US Title? You and Ricochet could tear it up for the IC Title! No thanks guys, been there done that, I want a *WrestleMania Moment!*" That would have at least covered some of the weird storytelling gaps here. Instead, we're just going to get Seth next week going crazy, getting beat up by somebody, and then showing up at Mania to lose to Cody. Also, for what it's worth, this whole story isn't exactly protecting Seth, either. He's just looking like a big, delusional, loser goober. I'm excited to see Cody, but I'm also excited to see Seth get onto something different after Mania. Can’t agree with that more. And like you said, it wouldn’t take much to tweak it, have people want to fight Seth at ‘Mania and Seth says they have to beat him on Raw because of his credentials. Hell, he has a victory over Roman Reigns, have him brag about it even though it was by DQ. Then you can have the last week be the GMs going “We have an opponent for you, Seth, who is worthy of your time” and everyone will know who it is so builds that excitement because of it. Right now, Seth looks like a goober for missing easy opportunities and the company looks like goobers on the show for letting this guy whose been in two title matches on the last two PPVs run around ruining established ‘Mania plans for no reason.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 22, 2022 7:44:30 GMT -5
Seth’s performance is great.
But the story makes no sense and no one buys that Seth Rollins is not going to be on Mania.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 22, 2022 8:23:05 GMT -5
I mean the story makes a bit more sense for an egomaniac like Seth not to settle for a spot in the AtGMBR or to go consider someone like Omos to be a scrub unworthy of his time bit it's still a stretch.
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Post by khali on Mar 22, 2022 8:40:24 GMT -5
It in no way makes any semblance of sense, and is one of those situations that makes the company dumb in storyline. So the company would be okay with one of their most decorated champions not being on a two day Wrestlemania? A two day Wrestlemania that only has 5 or 6 matches announced right now? And everyone else can somehow find a way on their card except for him.
And of course the dumbest part of all was the “winner gets a talk show segment” match, which is lame and if you think about it for half a second makes no sense. Why would Austin care enough to show up to talk to Rollins, who isn’t the guy he has a beef with? Overall the whole thing has made Rollins look like a big goober and loser, which is not a way to build up interest into a big debut match for Cody.
And in general the way WWE has made your “path to Wrestlemania” into a storyline is stupid. They’ve like made into asking someone out to the prom. You better find a dance partner or you may not make it, apparently.
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 22, 2022 9:29:17 GMT -5
Seth not being given a match, and they wonder why Mania isn't gonna sell out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 9:34:06 GMT -5
Seth not being given a match, and they wonder why Mania isn't gonna sell out Seth doesn't sell out, though. He buys in.
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