Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Apr 10, 2022 23:10:45 GMT -5
It's Turner (or was Turner by linage) what do you expect...
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Post by Mecca on Apr 10, 2022 23:11:29 GMT -5
CW got rid of Smackdown when it had by far the highest rating on the channel because it "didn't fit the channels vision" stuff like that does happen. Yes but it doesn't ALWAYS happen, this is more of a general musing than anything concrete, I would at least say something more like "Meltzer speculates on AEW's TV Future post-merger" than "They may be on shaky ground", that makes it sound worse Yea that's fine, I think he speaks on it in some weird ways because he thinks of how it killed WCW etc. It was also weird how he immediately went into the blood aspect. WWE has seemingly conditioned everyone that blood is bad.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 10, 2022 23:21:22 GMT -5
Yes but it doesn't ALWAYS happen, this is more of a general musing than anything concrete, I would at least say something more like "Meltzer speculates on AEW's TV Future post-merger" than "They may be on shaky ground", that makes it sound worse Yea that's fine, I think he speaks on it in some weird ways because he thinks of how it killed WCW etc. It was also weird how he immediately went into the blood aspect. WWE has seemingly conditioned everyone that blood is bad. Someone already said that Discovery shows some pretty graphic and raunchy shit on their family of networks, it'd be pretty hypocritical if they cared about the blood, and I assume, if they had a strong issue with it, it would have come up in the discussions because AEW's on two of Warner's major networks, and they've done a cornucopia of hardcore things, and will continue to do so with the Texas Deathmatch this week. We see blood in all major sports, in UFC and boxing they smash each others faces in, hell we see plenty of staged blood in prime time TV even and a ton of graphic violence, I would be stunned if a specific edict about blood came down, as with WWE, it very much seemed like their decision to stop with blood, as they have tried to go back to it here and there in different ways like the blood capsules before.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 10, 2022 23:27:20 GMT -5
WCW's situation is unique in that it was bleeding money and also directly owned by AOL Time Warner through its acquisition of Turner's media empire. AEW just has a rights deal with Warner. If the worst case scenario happens and they decide to not renew their deal, then AEW can shop for a new partner, whether that's CBS-Viacom, ESPN, Fox, etc.
This is more speculation on Meltzer's part based on what happened with WCW than anything else. Wrestling was also uniquely low-brow during the early 00's while the deluge of reality TV is on par with or even more low-brow than most wrestling shows.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 10, 2022 23:29:32 GMT -5
Ultimately what killed WCW was in the 2001 negotiations, prospective WCW buyers wanted in the contract to flatout own two hours Monday nights on TNT. TNT was willing to let them keep the timeslot for WCW, but not for a blanket catch all potential case of "We can air whatever we want." Jamie Keller is not a villain at all for not signing off on that terrible addendum to the contact. Had that not been in there, the investors would have come through and WCW would at least have lasted longer on Turner networks.
That's just to distinguish what nailed that coffin shut and not the "these guys at Turner hated wrestling" narrative that's echoed.
For the record, as a few have mentioned in this thread, with AEW it's a COMPLETELY different scenario by every metric. We all associate Tony Khan with AEW more than anything, but in terms of these sorts of negotiations they don't see Tony as "A wrestling guy" as much as "part of a family who owns a football team." That's a completely different perspective in the American television market and is probably the biggest factor that so many doors were open for AEW's launch in the first place.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 10, 2022 23:31:08 GMT -5
Wrestling was also uniquely low-brow during the early 00's while the deluge of reality TV is on par with or even more low-brow than most wrestling shows. To put this in further perspective, at the time of WCW's 2001 closure, the biggest reality hit was still 'Survivor' where contestants eating cooked bugs was still considered super controversial and shocking in a "how can this even air on television" sort of way.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 10, 2022 23:38:51 GMT -5
It's going to be an interesting dynamic for sure though in 2024 (really 2023). We've seen some companies come to deals in advance to ensure they keep the property (like with NBC and the Premier League). If Turner came to Tony with a nice deal, he might avoid going on the open market all together. But if they do go into an open market negotiation period, then it's going to be fun to watch. And that's especially true since WWE will be going on the open market roughly around the same time. Does WWE continue with a split deal with RAW and SmackDown? It's been clear that serving two masters has been difficult but would either FOX or NBC be willing to pay for the whole package? I imagine NBC might as they can then have all of WWE under their umbrella. And if either party gets all of WWE, does the other look into AEW? NBC is unlikely and I imagine they get at least one show but if FOX moves on from WWE, they have a whole host of networks that could host AEW. There's also tons of streaming options that have previously dipped their toes when WWE was last on the market. Maybe Disney looks into it? It will be an interesting time all around.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 10, 2022 23:56:57 GMT -5
They would be pretty f***ing dumb to get rid of AEW. Even if they do, Khan will find another tv deal easy. Exactly,they will be fine. Its not IDEAL but they would find somewhere
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Apr 11, 2022 0:16:03 GMT -5
Discovery owns TLC the channel that runs programming like 90 Day Fiancee,1,000 Pound Sisters and Sister Wives. I doubt they will let AEW go for being too "trashy"
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Post by Rave on Apr 11, 2022 0:23:32 GMT -5
Discovery owns TLC the channel that runs programming like 90 Day Fiancee,1,000 Pound Sisters and Sister Wives. I doubt they will let AEW go for being too "trashy" This. TLC is the poster network for trash TV. I bet they'd still be airing stuff from the Duggars had one of them not been convicted for possessing child pornography.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 11, 2022 0:30:31 GMT -5
This is honestly too early to tell. 2023 is the real deal when we'll find out what the new regime costs. Especially if Khan is dipping his money into this it shouldn't hurt their bottom line.
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Post by Perd on Apr 11, 2022 0:36:18 GMT -5
They'll agree to a re-up. But a 1/4 of the screen will be taken up by reruns of Young Sheldon.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 11, 2022 0:43:20 GMT -5
The bigger issue isn't trashiness but cost. The TLC/Discovery shows are basically just camera crews and post production. They aren't looking to pay for relatively expensive content they don't have ownership of even if it might get a higher rating than something cheaper.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 11, 2022 0:45:08 GMT -5
They will decide to combine AEW with Naked and Afraid to make All Elite Naked Wrestling.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2022 1:30:48 GMT -5
Tony Khan: What da f***? That's fake news! Your money is coming! It's a problem with the bank! F*** you, Meltzy. Screw you and your psychobabble bullshit. You have no clue what it's like fo me. I am a boss! I am trying to build an organization. *cries* This is seriously so f***ed up! You're supposed to be helping me and you leave me all on mah own! I knew with your stupid Southern California accent and your stupid face that you would be a useless journalist! I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS. I DO NOT HAVE TIME FUH YOU. Who's more famous right now than Tony Khan? [/Anna Delvey]
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 11, 2022 2:27:38 GMT -5
He actually meant to say the future of AEW is Shanky. Tony knows a top star when he sees one and will scoop him first chance he gets.
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Post by eJm on Apr 11, 2022 2:36:17 GMT -5
This puts it better, really. Like, something could happen in the next couple of years that changes everything and AEW will have to look for a new partner etc or Discovery could go "Eh, we like things as they are and we'll see how it goes". Nobody really knows.
And we also don't have the same history of Turner executives hating the idea of having wrestling from the moment Ted acquired JCP in '88 and trying to sell it pretty much every year until 2001.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 11, 2022 3:37:25 GMT -5
This puts it better, really. Like, something could happen in the next couple of years that changes everything and AEW will have to look for a new partner etc or Discovery could go "Eh, we like things as they are and we'll see how it goes". Nobody really knows. And we also don't have the same history of Turner executives hating the idea of having wrestling from the moment Ted acquired JCP in '88 and trying to sell it pretty much every year until 2001. Right, there was more going on. They've put a lot of faith in AEW so far, and they've been very good about getting good demos. I am optimistic. That said, transitions are difficult to predict, so even if the bottom somehow fell out, I think their position would be much stronger here than when they first started, when it came to finding somewhere else to air.
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Post by bearned on Apr 11, 2022 4:13:39 GMT -5
Well big Dave said a whole lot of nothing there. A lot of maybe's, might's, and could's. Classic Meltz really….
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 4:44:51 GMT -5
They'll agree to a re-up. But a 1/4 of the screen will be taken up by reruns of Young Sheldon. I want them to do the little PIP Young Sheldon explaining very basic wrestling moves as they happen, like they did with the NFL playoff games on Nickelodeon. “That was an Irish Whip…I, uh, I don’t actually know how or why that works.”
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